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From: Philippines
Ryanair launches business class
According to MSN:
'The low cost airline, Ryanair, has launched a business class service in a move to overhaul its flailing reputation for low customer experience and satisfaction.'
and that:
'Chief executive Michael O’Leary took responsibility for the airline’s perceived ‘abrupt culture’ at last year’s annual meeting and later admitted that the budget airline’s rival, EasyJet, ‘wiped the floor with us’ following their own customer service improvements and introduction of allocated seating.'
Does this fit the 'low cost' model, or are we entering new territory - as Norwegian Air Shuttle seem to be with their B787 long haul services?
'The low cost airline, Ryanair, has launched a business class service in a move to overhaul its flailing reputation for low customer experience and satisfaction.'
and that:
'Chief executive Michael O’Leary took responsibility for the airline’s perceived ‘abrupt culture’ at last year’s annual meeting and later admitted that the budget airline’s rival, EasyJet, ‘wiped the floor with us’ following their own customer service improvements and introduction of allocated seating.'
Does this fit the 'low cost' model, or are we entering new territory - as Norwegian Air Shuttle seem to be with their B787 long haul services?
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From: In transit
It's not business class. It's a fare structure which might be better suited to people travelling on business, not the same thing at all.
I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.
They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.
They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
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From: Essex
Capetonian
Well that's your opinion, but you're right that it's a product aimed at business passengers and by no means "business class". There's little doubting that this along with all the other new services we've heard no end of is a vast improvement and will continue to attract new/more customers. They are being the most efficient carrier they possibly can be and I'm sure they won't miss your custom too much in the grand scheme of things.
Well that's your opinion, but you're right that it's a product aimed at business passengers and by no means "business class". There's little doubting that this along with all the other new services we've heard no end of is a vast improvement and will continue to attract new/more customers. They are being the most efficient carrier they possibly can be and I'm sure they won't miss your custom too much in the grand scheme of things.
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From: Dublin
I think their product description is an accurate one. They don't sell it as 'business class' they call it 'business plus'.
Capetonian, has anyone who sat beside you ever attempted to dowse themselves with gasoline as in Airplane the movie?
Capetonian, has anyone who sat beside you ever attempted to dowse themselves with gasoline as in Airplane the movie?
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From: Essex
I think their product description is an accurate one. They don't sell it as 'business class' they call it 'business plus'.
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From: Middlesex (under the flightpath)
I know all that, have taken advantage of it, and am grateful for it, but the market has shifted and best value is not anymore the monopoly of the LoCo's. Equally the LoCo's have shifted their business model more towards the traditional carrier's style; hence we are talking about reserved seating, premium this & that, flexi tickets etc. etc. The difference is now smaller than it was so it is really a time for buyer beware and do some research.
I travel many times on a route served by both types of carrier. More often than not the traditional carrier's final price, with all my sports paraphernalia included, at a more convenient time is cheaper than the competing LoCo. On some occasions with just hand luggage the LoCo scrapes in, but it's usually not by much. There are some great fares out there if you have flexibility and you will find them in the most unexpected places.
On some occasions with just hand luggage the LoCo scrapes in, but it's usually not by much. There are some great fares out there if you have flexibility and you will find them in the most unexpected places. Equally, I have looked at LoCo 'last minutes' (<5 days) on return flights into main EU airports and they are the same price as some 10 hour flights to USA and other destinations by the national carrier.
There's nowt so queer as the world of airline ticketing.
It's not business class. It's a fare structure which might be better suited to people travelling on business, not the same thing at all.
I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.
They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.
They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
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From: Utterly
from the ttg
Ryanair may look to Airbus for new US venture
1 September 2014 | By Patrick Whyte
Ryanair could potentially move away from its exclusive arrangement with Boeing for the launch of its new transatlantic business.
The airline is currently planning a new service between Europe and the US and will use either Airbus 350s or Boeing Dreamliners, according to reports in The Sunday Times.
Ryanair would be following in the footsteps of fellow no-frills carrier Norwegian, which recently launched £150 flights between Gatwick and New York.
“We are happy to be a smarter second mover and watch what happens with them and if they can make it work,” Ryanair’s chief marketing officer Kenny Jacobs told the newspaper.
“We’ve got a model that we know can work. We need to get aircraft, so we can talk to Boeing and Airbus, and we can also see if someone has some distressed inventory [we can take sooner] to make our transatlantic plan a reality.
“There’s a version of Ryanair that will work on transatlantic.”
1 September 2014 | By Patrick Whyte
Ryanair could potentially move away from its exclusive arrangement with Boeing for the launch of its new transatlantic business.
The airline is currently planning a new service between Europe and the US and will use either Airbus 350s or Boeing Dreamliners, according to reports in The Sunday Times.
Ryanair would be following in the footsteps of fellow no-frills carrier Norwegian, which recently launched £150 flights between Gatwick and New York.
“We are happy to be a smarter second mover and watch what happens with them and if they can make it work,” Ryanair’s chief marketing officer Kenny Jacobs told the newspaper.
“We’ve got a model that we know can work. We need to get aircraft, so we can talk to Boeing and Airbus, and we can also see if someone has some distressed inventory [we can take sooner] to make our transatlantic plan a reality.
“There’s a version of Ryanair that will work on transatlantic.”
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From: Blighty
April 2007:
Ryanair plans transatlantic flights from £6 - Telegraph
I'll believe Ryanair transatlantic when there's a confirmed aircraft purchase or lease agreement
Ryanair plans transatlantic flights from £6 - Telegraph
I'll believe Ryanair transatlantic when there's a confirmed aircraft purchase or lease agreement
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From: Finland
I'll believe Ryanair transatlantic when there's a confirmed aircraft purchase or lease agreement
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From: London
I am just not sold on the idea of long haul low cost. Norwegian had some headline grabbing fares, but I have not found them any cheaper to NYC from London than you can get on other airlines. It's hard to make price much lower on long haul, as you have much the same fixed costs on fewer segments through which to realise operational efficiencies. Moreover, the customer perception on price has to be significant for long haul. If I had a choice of United or Norwegian to NYC, then the difference in price has to be significant to make me bite- I know I could just use my own iPad for entertainment and spend £15 on a meal and drinks, but my perception is that I'd need to be saving close to £100 return to make it a valid choice. That is where I believe the model will find it difficult.
I think the one area where low costs could make entry is finding new markets to a few long haul destinations (NYC, Florida, etc.) from secondary EU airports- Eindhoven, Basel, Hamburg etc., which have been overlooked. This is, in essence, what Norwegian have done from Gatwick (i.e. getting Surrey traffic who don't want to travel to Heathrow), Bergen etc. The low costs have developed expertise in building small bases with no feed traffic, getting to understand how to scale an operation and market effectively. I think this is the way Ryanair could make a long haul entry. I just don't believe there is that much money in it.
I think the one area where low costs could make entry is finding new markets to a few long haul destinations (NYC, Florida, etc.) from secondary EU airports- Eindhoven, Basel, Hamburg etc., which have been overlooked. This is, in essence, what Norwegian have done from Gatwick (i.e. getting Surrey traffic who don't want to travel to Heathrow), Bergen etc. The low costs have developed expertise in building small bases with no feed traffic, getting to understand how to scale an operation and market effectively. I think this is the way Ryanair could make a long haul entry. I just don't believe there is that much money in it.
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From: looking out of the window
Surely the key to FR long haul is to interlink with its loco eu network? I wonder if that's the real reason for the business plus rates being introduced.
Loads of people fly NYC-LON sure, but how many can offer a connected service NYC-RYR Dest.
Dunno if demand is there but I would have thought it's not just about the TA flight
Loads of people fly NYC-LON sure, but how many can offer a connected service NYC-RYR Dest.
Dunno if demand is there but I would have thought it's not just about the TA flight
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From: In transit
7 years later, nothing. My money is on that not changing.
A friend of mine got a ticket on Norwegian LAX-LGW a week or so ago for £400 o/w. That doesn't seem particularly cheap, and when I said ; "That must have been on the new 787 dreamliner" she said : "Well it didn't seem any different to the Ryanair one I went to Spain on."
Pearls before swine!
A friend of mine got a ticket on Norwegian LAX-LGW a week or so ago for £400 o/w. That doesn't seem particularly cheap, and when I said ; "That must have been on the new 787 dreamliner" she said : "Well it didn't seem any different to the Ryanair one I went to Spain on."
Pearls before swine!
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From: Europe
Ryanair Longhaul Rates?
Not sure about potential timing, whether it would be linked to shorthaul or whether it will actually come to fruition:
Ryanair considering the A350, B787 for transatlantic flights - ch-aviation.com
Ryanair considering the A350, B787 for transatlantic flights - ch-aviation.com
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From: Alps
Max 8 on order
Bloomberg suspects imminent order for Max 8, tb announced Monday:
Boeing Poised to Win $11 Billion Ryanair Sale for 737 Max - Bloomberg
just wondering who´s gonna pay for the new typerating...
Boeing Poised to Win $11 Billion Ryanair Sale for 737 Max - Bloomberg
just wondering who´s gonna pay for the new typerating...
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From: Hartlepool
Definitely happening!
100 firm plus c.100 options maybe?
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...47854660128768
100 firm plus c.100 options maybe?
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...47854660128768
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From: London, UK & Europe
100 737 MAX 200, with 100 options. 197 seats and we can put the sun glasses away onboard!
Welcome to Ryanair!
Welcome to Ryanair!
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From: London
I thought O'Leary had said he's after wide bodies jets for his proprpsed transatlantic flights?
Is STN-JFK realistic on a 737, also are primary airports like JFK even likely or will they pursue secondary airports?
Is STN-JFK realistic on a 737, also are primary airports like JFK even likely or will they pursue secondary airports?