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Old 28th Aug 2014, 14:41
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It's not business class. It's a fare structure which might be better suited to people travelling on business, not the same thing at all.

I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.

They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 16:31
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Well that's your opinion, but you're right that it's a product aimed at business passengers and by no means "business class". There's little doubting that this along with all the other new services we've heard no end of is a vast improvement and will continue to attract new/more customers. They are being the most efficient carrier they possibly can be and I'm sure they won't miss your custom too much in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 17:26
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I think their product description is an accurate one. They don't sell it as 'business class' they call it 'business plus'.


Capetonian, has anyone who sat beside you ever attempted to dowse themselves with gasoline as in Airplane the movie?
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I think their product description is an accurate one. They don't sell it as 'business class' they call it 'business plus'.
Absolutely. Quite a bit of the press (perhaps unsurprisingly) are referring to it as business class which is not right.
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Old 28th Aug 2014, 19:21
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I know all that, have taken advantage of it, and am grateful for it, but the market has shifted and best value is not anymore the monopoly of the LoCo's. Equally the LoCo's have shifted their business model more towards the traditional carrier's style; hence we are talking about reserved seating, premium this & that, flexi tickets etc. etc. The difference is now smaller than it was so it is really a time for buyer beware and do some research.
The blurring of the strict dichotomy between no “frills” and “legacy” had to happen sooner or later and, indeed, the advent of so-called “hybrid” carriers was the start.

I travel many times on a route served by both types of carrier. More often than not the traditional carrier's final price, with all my sports paraphernalia included, at a more convenient time is cheaper than the competing LoCo. On some occasions with just hand luggage the LoCo scrapes in, but it's usually not by much. There are some great fares out there if you have flexibility and you will find them in the most unexpected places.
Yes, this can often be the case even without sports paraphernalia. BA are competing with hand-baggage only fares on some routes. Other “legacies” will doubtless follow.

On some occasions with just hand luggage the LoCo scrapes in, but it's usually not by much. There are some great fares out there if you have flexibility and you will find them in the most unexpected places. Equally, I have looked at LoCo 'last minutes' (<5 days) on return flights into main EU airports and they are the same price as some 10 hour flights to USA and other destinations by the national carrier.
These days it’s very much a case of book early for the best fares, last-minute and standby cheap fares are virtually gone now.

There's nowt so queer as the world of airline ticketing.
Railway fares anyone?




It's not business class. It's a fare structure which might be better suited to people travelling on business, not the same thing at all.

I can't comment on how others might view this, but I have shunned RyanAir up to now for many reasons, and this does nothing to increase the likelihood that I will travel on them in the future.

They might be cheaper than competitors, I am not convinced of that, but even if their 'business' fares are cheaper than their rivals, there is no way I would use them. Ever. I will be interested to see how this works out though.
FR is following what U2 are already doing, perfectly understandable and predictable under the circumstances. It’s about grabbing market share.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 19:37
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from the ttg

Ryanair may look to Airbus for new US venture
1 September 2014 | By Patrick Whyte

Ryanair could potentially move away from its exclusive arrangement with Boeing for the launch of its new transatlantic business.

The airline is currently planning a new service between Europe and the US and will use either Airbus 350s or Boeing Dreamliners, according to reports in The Sunday Times.

Ryanair would be following in the footsteps of fellow no-frills carrier Norwegian, which recently launched £150 flights between Gatwick and New York.

“We are happy to be a smarter second mover and watch what happens with them and if they can make it work,” Ryanair’s chief marketing officer Kenny Jacobs told the newspaper.

“We’ve got a model that we know can work. We need to get aircraft, so we can talk to Boeing and Airbus, and we can also see if someone has some distressed inventory [we can take sooner] to make our transatlantic plan a reality.

“There’s a version of Ryanair that will work on transatlantic.”
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 19:47
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April 2007:
Ryanair plans transatlantic flights from £6 - Telegraph

I'll believe Ryanair transatlantic when there's a confirmed aircraft purchase or lease agreement
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 11:19
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I'll believe Ryanair transatlantic when there's a confirmed aircraft purchase or lease agreement
I dare to have some doubts. How much should a ticket cost for such a flight to become profitable? Maybe it would pay to fully use the potential of some European routes in the first place. Example: try to find any return flight from Tampere to Malaga for less than 400 euro, up to November, you'll hardly succeed. Now THIS route will be discontinued for winter(!!!), I'm sure the same price level could easily be upheld throughout the low season, but it... doesn't pay?
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 11:45
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I am just not sold on the idea of long haul low cost. Norwegian had some headline grabbing fares, but I have not found them any cheaper to NYC from London than you can get on other airlines. It's hard to make price much lower on long haul, as you have much the same fixed costs on fewer segments through which to realise operational efficiencies. Moreover, the customer perception on price has to be significant for long haul. If I had a choice of United or Norwegian to NYC, then the difference in price has to be significant to make me bite- I know I could just use my own iPad for entertainment and spend £15 on a meal and drinks, but my perception is that I'd need to be saving close to £100 return to make it a valid choice. That is where I believe the model will find it difficult.

I think the one area where low costs could make entry is finding new markets to a few long haul destinations (NYC, Florida, etc.) from secondary EU airports- Eindhoven, Basel, Hamburg etc., which have been overlooked. This is, in essence, what Norwegian have done from Gatwick (i.e. getting Surrey traffic who don't want to travel to Heathrow), Bergen etc. The low costs have developed expertise in building small bases with no feed traffic, getting to understand how to scale an operation and market effectively. I think this is the way Ryanair could make a long haul entry. I just don't believe there is that much money in it.
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 13:14
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Surely the key to FR long haul is to interlink with its loco eu network? I wonder if that's the real reason for the business plus rates being introduced.

Loads of people fly NYC-LON sure, but how many can offer a connected service NYC-RYR Dest.

Dunno if demand is there but I would have thought it's not just about the TA flight
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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 14:02
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7 years later, nothing. My money is on that not changing.

A friend of mine got a ticket on Norwegian LAX-LGW a week or so ago for £400 o/w. That doesn't seem particularly cheap, and when I said ; "That must have been on the new 787 dreamliner" she said : "Well it didn't seem any different to the Ryanair one I went to Spain on."

Pearls before swine!
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 18:16
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New route for FR in S2015 - MAD-VNO, 4x weekly.
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 03:05
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Ryanair Longhaul Rates?

Not sure about potential timing, whether it would be linked to shorthaul or whether it will actually come to fruition:


Ryanair considering the A350, B787 for transatlantic flights - ch-aviation.com
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 11:07
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Max 8 on order

Bloomberg suspects imminent order for Max 8, tb announced Monday:

Boeing Poised to Win $11 Billion Ryanair Sale for 737 Max - Bloomberg

just wondering who´s gonna pay for the new typerating...
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 21:41
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Definitely happening!

100 firm plus c.100 options maybe?

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...47854660128768
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 14:33
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100 737 MAX 200, with 100 options. 197 seats and we can put the sun glasses away onboard!

Welcome to Ryanair!
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 18:12
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The obvious question... will any of these be used for transatlantic hops?

On paper at least they should manage STN-JFK.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 18:23
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I thought O'Leary had said he's after wide bodies jets for his proprpsed transatlantic flights?

Is STN-JFK realistic on a 737, also are primary airports like JFK even likely or will they pursue secondary airports?
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No but DUB or SNN to NYC is, after all its only about 3100 miles to NYC and they have the pre clearance.
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If it happens! the airport that would be probably used is Stewart International,(SWF) about 2800nm from Dublin.
Great airport, been many times and looking for a couple of Internationals for their portfolio, would arrive as a domestic flight.

Sector time westbound 6.15 Eastbound 5.30 on prevailing winds.
Can be done using 74.9 mtow
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