Ryanair - 9

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Here's the winter program for Stockholm/Skavsta

3 A/C
13 routes

1st A/C

Stansted 0630-1130 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
Eindhoven 1155-1620 1-5
Warszawa 1155-1525 2-3-4-6-7
Beauvais 1720-2230 1-3-5-7
Stansted 1800-2300 2-4-6

2nd A/C

Ciampino 0640-1315 1-5
Alicante 0715-1555 2-4-6
Malaga 0710-1625 3-7
Bremen 1400-1740 1-5 (Ends 8 December 2014)
Stansted 1805-2305 1-5
Stansted 1800-2300 3-7

3rd A/C

Krakow 0700-1105 1-3-5-7
Stansted 1130-1630 1-5
Malta 1335-2150 6
Bergamo 1720-2255 1-2-3-4-5-7

Plus routes to

Gran Canaria de Las Palmas 1400-1435 5-7
Tenerife Reina Sofia 1500-1535 4-6

[Bengt]

Here's the winter program for Stockholm/Skavsta

3 A/C
13 routes

And Barcelona is cancelled for the winter season?

[CCFAIRPORT]

For the moment BCN is not on sale !!! So I can't confirm you that BCN is cancelled for WS

[dmcna]

BCN and CRL both cancelled for the winter season however NRN makes a return

[Jack1985]

On the day of the strike at Ciampino this happens, aircraft rolled into an adjacent building from its stand where it was parked, suspicious to me - Or simply gross misconduct by someone not securing an aircraft when the brakes depleted.

[davidjohnson6]

Paris

I've been looking at Ryanair's operations around Paris and am puzzled as to FR's network choices. I realise CDG and Orly have high-ish fees and FR have chosen to use Beauvais as a proxy base while not incurring French social employment costs.
I see that FR also fly to Vatry, a very long way east of Paris - not far from Reims. The destinations at Vatry are also flown from Beauvais. Unlike Beauvais with bus services locally andto Paris, Vatry is about 25 km from the nearest train station and is not served by a bus service at all.

So why do FR fly to Vatry at all ? Is it driven entirely by migrant agricultural workers or is there some other story going on ? Vatry is a cargo airport - seems unlikely that Beauvais management will worry too much about threats by FR to up sticks and move to Vatry...

[ConstantFlyer]

So why do FR fly to Vatry at all ?

Maybe passengers are flying TO the Reims area, rather than originating there, and avoiding a needless slog through Paris as a result.

[lfc84]

@sober_lark

re refunds....

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/474523758527807488

[captplaystation]

dj6,

Eurodisney is to the East of Paris, so, very easy access from Vatry. Don't know about public transport, but if you are driving it is not too bad for Metz Nancy etc, so possibly more non-Paris traffic, although the East of Paris is not too bad from Vatry (again, I can't speak for public transport. )

[davidjohnson6]

captplaystation - with the greatest respect, Vatry has zero public transport and is 80 miles or 130 km by road from Disneyland. The only FR routes to Vatry are from Marrakesh and Porto - neither of which seem likely to bring in hordes of people visiting the mouse.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

So why do FR fly to Vatry at all ? Is it driven entirely by migrant agricultural workers or is there some other story going on ?

David: note the reference here to

l'aide annuel de APVP (association qui attire les compagnies aériennes grâce à trois à quatre millions d'euros annuels)

i.e. "the annual support of the APVP [a notionally independent marketing-support funding mechanism for the airport], an association which attracts airlines with €3-4m per year".

€3-4m plus a handful of migrant agricultural workers would get you a few Ryanair routes...

[Jamie2k9]

I've been looking at Ryanair's operations around Paris and am puzzled as to FR's network choices. I realise CDG and Orly have high-ish fees and FR have chosen to use Beauvais as a proxy base while not incurring French social employment costs.
I see that FR also fly to Vatry, a very long way east of Paris - not far from Reims. The destinations at Vatry are also flown from Beauvais. Unlike Beauvais with bus services locally andto Paris, Vatry is about 25 km from the nearest train station and is not served by a bus service at all.

So why do FR fly to Vatry at all ? Is it driven entirely by migrant agricultural workers or is there some other story going on ? Vatry is a cargo airport - seems unlikely that Beauvais management will worry too much about threats by FR to up sticks and move to Vatry...

You need to look at it differently and not limit it to Paris area.

It's mainly because of cultural connections as Portuguese are the largest single European group living in France while Moroccan is the second largest African group living in France. Combined both make up 2.7-3 million people.

Will explain how such regional airports in France have links to Portugal and Morocco.

What was more random is FR started off in Vatry with Oslo and Stockholm if I am not mistaking.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

What was more random is FR started off in Vatry with Oslo and Stockholm if I am not mistaking.

It's not really random - the local authorities and public bodies are (understandably) more interested in providing support funding for routes if they think those routes will bring tourists into the area and contribute to the local economy, and that was the idea with the Scandinavian routes.

Subsidising a route that will mainly fly guest workers home for holidays with their families, and local people out of the country to spend their money somewhere else, is a tougher budgetary case.

[davidjohnson6]

Cyrano - thx for pointing out the link yesterday.
The immediate question in my mind is where exactly this marketing sponsorship of 3m euros is coming from and why it's being paid for a couple of routes to Marrakesh and Porto. Does FR really have much of a future at Vatry ? After dropping the Stansted-Dole route, I'm wondering how long FR will stay at Dole or St Etienne - which have very similiar route profiles to Vatry.

[caja]

Michael O'Leary in Lisbon 12/6



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[toledoashley]

MOL has been talking up transatlantic recently - complaining that the middle eastern airlines had taken all the slots for wide bodied aircraft...

Maybe the A350 cancellation by Emirates is what they need, 50 A350's is just the sort of aircraft he was looking for.

Airbus and Emirates Airline agree to cancel A350 XWB order | Airbus News & Events

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by toledoashley

MOL has been talking up transatlantic recently - complaining that the middle eastern airlines had taken all the slots for wide bodied aircraft...

Maybe the A350 cancellation by Emirates is what they need, 50 A350's is just the sort of aircraft he was looking for.

He doesn't have to wait for A350s. There is B777-300ER availability even sooner. The issue is not simply aircraft availability, it's aircraft availability at a distressed price (like the Ryanair 737 order after Sept 11 2001). From Ryanair's point of view, demand for long-haul widebodies (and pricing) is distressingly robust at present.

[racedo]

He doesn't have to wait for A350s. There is B777-300ER availability even sooner. The issue is not simply aircraft availability, it's aircraft availability at a distressed price (like the Ryanair 737 order after Sept 11 2001). From Ryanair's point of view, demand for long-haul widebodies (and pricing) is distressingly robust at present.

Hardly a surprise as no way the Gulf carriers were going to pick up on all the orders they had out there.

[toledoashley]

The first hurdle he stated was the slots - the middle eastern carriers have taken the majority of them. Secondly would be the cost.

Airbus have said that lots of airlines are looking at the slots, but nobody could make as much noise about them as MOL.

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