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Old 17th Jan 2014, 21:01
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Flybe to continue... but with a reduction?

All the good news is being spread today about Flybe continuing from Liverpool.

However currently they operate 24 departures a week to the Isle of Man operating 3x on Tues, Weds, Sat & Sun and 4x on Mon, Thu and Fri.

Whilst still no change in the booking system, from what I can make out from the various news articles, the service will be cut to 3x Mon-Fri with 3 flights over the weekend (I would assume 1 Sat and 2 Sun flights) making a total of just 18 departures a week, a reduction of 6 weekly departures. In other words a 25% cut.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 21:10
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It's about 45 metres from the front door
Far enough to get wet through when its raining.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 12:18
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About the same distance as T1 pick up car park, Far enough to get wet through when its raining.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 17:11
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2014 looking bleak for Liverpool

Flybe booking system has been updated and my instinct was spot on.

Now 3 return flights serving IOM Monday-Friday with 1 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday. So indeed a reduction from 24 to 18 weekly flights.

Now unfortunately it does have to be asked... Passenger numbers at Liverpool for 2014?

Now being January I think we can rule out any significant growth this summer and most likely for the rest of the whole year, so let me summarise:

Compared to last summer, Wizz Air have cut back from about 8 to 5 weekly departures and Flybe from 24 to 18 weekly departures. Norwegian are also pulling out completely.

So far I make it a total of up to 35 weekly departures cut down to 23. If you like, almost a 35% reduction in the non FR and EZY traffic.

EasyJet look vey similar this year compared to last year.

Ryanair on the other hand have the biggest cuts. To my knowledge, Ryanair operated 154 departures a week in May 2013. For May 2014 that drops right down to 127 a week. I make that near as dammit a 17.5% cut.

Assuming EasyJet has 170 departures per week both last summer and this summer (which is being quite generous), that's a cut from 359 to 320 weekly departures, or just over 10%.

Now I know that's based on aircraft movements, but my guess would be somewhere within a 6 to 9% reduction in passenger numbers, for the summer months at least.

I would guess pretty much 4 million passengers on the dot or very slightly over for 2014. Lets hope that 2015 will not see further cuts or else it might not even make 4 million
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 19:54
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FRatSTN, I hate to burst your bubble, but the LPL - IOM route will not, by my instincts see any loss of passengers through the reductions by FlyBe. Despite previous reductions (chopping the fourth flight on a Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, for example, the additional capacity provided by Easyjet has contributed to a sustained period of passenger growth on the route.

As for the impact of other changes, yes there will be a further dip in numbers, but the encouraging start to January 2014 suggests that there may be better performance in the off-season to help mitigate summer reductions.

I am amazed that the fortunes of Liverpool Airport seem to be constantly at the top of your agenda, highlighting any route reductions quicker than Sky break a political scandal, and with equal zeal.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 20:16
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FRatSTN, I hate to burst your bubble, but the LPL - IOM route will not, by my
instincts see any loss of passengers through the reductions by FlyBe. Despite
previous reductions (chopping the fourth flight on a Tuesday, Wednesday and
Thursday, for example, the additional capacity provided by Easyjet has
contributed to a sustained period of passenger growth on the route
But there will be a reduction of capacity versus 2013 will there not? I am not aware of easyjet adding any capacity to the route in 2014 compared to 2013 and there is a net reduction of flybe seats.


I am amazed that the fortunes of Liverpool Airport seem to be constantly at
the top of your agenda, highlighting any route reductions quicker than Sky break a political scandal, and with equal zeal
To be fair to FRatSTN, he seems to report on several airports with the roughly the same balance so your judgment that he criticises purely LPL is injust in my opinion, but then again I suppose neither you or this thread are unique in terms of defending criticisms form those who are 'not local'.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 21:36
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To be completely honest, I do personally have a significant preference for Manchester Airport over Liverpool and the migration of further Ryanair traffic from Liverpool to Manchester is overall welcome news to me.

That said, it plays no part in any judgment and it certainly is not my agenda or any other interest to see Liverpool in decline, or any other airport for that matter.

Liverpool was once one of Europe's fastest growing airports and continued to perform particularly well in the early recession years compared to rival airports. Even up until 2011 was a very good year at Liverpool.

But we are getting to a stage now where the vast majority of airports in the UK are seeing quite healthy levels of growth once again but Liverpool has now got 3 consecutive years of decline.

If Liverpool continues to decline at a time of recovery from recession and when other airports are growing, that is as much of a concern to me as the airport's biggest ever fan.

My intention was to in fact highlight the significance of Liverpool's bleak outlook especially when compared to competing airports' and the threats attached. Certainly not to take pleasure in any decline!
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 00:13
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FRatSTN...

Have a day off mate. Get a girlfriend or something. You are one bad, bad, bore.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 00:23
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FRatSTN

Unfortunately I must agree. A thorough and honest appraisal of the current situation. It is difficult to see a reversal of fortunes in the near future.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 00:36
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TSR.

How's Blackpool doing?
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 00:38
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Excuse me, I should try and comment more balanced on the Manchester and Blackpool threads. Oh wait there, no I shouldn't, because I don't actually care about them airports. After all, why should I?
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 06:41
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Give it a break.

Those chips on your shoulders show through in all your various identities across the web.

It's tiresome and childish and incredibly boring.

We get it. You want Liverpool to exist in this happy Utopian bubble and you don't want anyone beyond the city limits daring to comment or make judgement.

We get it, ok.

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Old 19th Jan 2014, 10:24
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At the end of the day, Manchester will succeed in its aim to strangle Liverpool.
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Old 19th Jan 2014, 19:57
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What an a load of crape from my fellow LJLA Supporters, When are you all going to agree that It has had its day,Manchester is not I repeat not trying to strangle Liverpool in fact they have a very good relation ship.
I have to laugh at the posts on Liverpool metro area and I am ashamed of the so called Scousers on there, I was banned for telling the truth about LJLA on there I am still a member but I no longer post as 99% Of the so called LJLA supporters act like Children
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 21:31
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Lufthansa in talks (not much to see here)...

Liverpool John Lennon Airport and Lufthansa in routes talks - Liverpool Echo

And in other news, the worst kept secret ever...

Norwegian Airlines cancels Liverpool John Lennon Airport Copenhagen flights - Liverpool Echo

At least the management seem to be having a go.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 13:48
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Looks like JetXtra.com may be looking into flights from Liverpool
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Old 5th Feb 2014, 10:07
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Ryanair to return to growth at Liverpool when new aircraft are delivered?

Ryanair sees further growth at Liverpool John Lennon Airport - Liverpool Echo

Interesting to read RYRs commercial director speak of an easyjet 'abandonment' of the airport, could say the same thing about them...
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Old 5th Feb 2014, 11:37
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Personally, I think RYR's going to suffer with the rise of Norwegian. There may come a day when MOL's Mafia have to choose between MAN & LPL.

The crews are already defecting in droves. It'll be the pax. next.
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 03:54
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May I point out that Norge ceases To fly from Liverpool from March.
God knows where you get the idea that air crew are leaving
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Klm...

Hi guys..anyone able to give me a passenger total for the last two years of klm ops. Please?

Across from the dtv thread wher we average about 90k per year and have fears it might be in danger.
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