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Old 5th Nov 2013, 09:40
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I am from Stockport and a MAN local (3 miles away) but still use LPL on a regular basis.

Usually for cheap flights to Spain and more recently on business trips to Lisbon or should I say returning from business in Lisbon with easyjet (I still use TAP outbound from MAN.

Having the choice is great but one thing that is really beginning to get my back up is the bus service to the Parkway station, Its not frequent enough and it always seems to get into the bus stop at the station as my direct train to Stockport is leaving, meaning an hours wait for the next one or the all stops to Manchester which takes forever.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 09:54
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Really surprised you say that 'Cleared'. I would have said that relative to the other championship airports such as EMA, BRS, LBA, LPL has overperformed in the last decade thanks to (a) Easyjet and (b) Manchester's strategy being what it was. From Leeds, Liverpool has been my best option to destinations like Geneva, Zurich, Madrid for the last decade. I can't imagine LBA being many Liverpudlians best airport for going anywhere! Jet 2 are a decent airline but be careful what you wish for, Easy are in a different league.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 09:56
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In a nutshell Liverpool suffers because it is so close to Manchester.

If you look at other comparable regional airports like Bristol or Newcastle, they are still the primary airports for their regions.

East Midlands and Leeds less so because there is certainly stronger competition from Birmingham and Manchester respectively, but are undoubtedly much less effected than Liverpool with an airport carry 5x as many passengers only 40 minutes away.

If you take the East Midlands/Birmingham example, there is a bit of a split with the mix of traffic they have. East Midlands is mainly Low-cost and holiday charter, Birmingham is also holiday charter but has lots of domestic and hub services by regional and full service carriers with much less low-cost.

If you look at Liverpool/Manchester, in only 2 years Ryanair have gone from only operating a Dublin route from Manchester to making it a base airport bigger than Liverpool! EasyJet have also shifted traffic and are only slightly bigger at Liverpool now.

Manchester is certainly the most diverse airport in the UK as it covers pretty much everything to a high level. It has long-haul, short-haul, hub, domestic, full-service, holiday charters, low-cost... pretty much everything you could think of.

Liverpool now has nothing unique so to speak and with Manchester now with pretty much everything now covered, is there still a place for Liverpool in the market?? It's certainly very concerning.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 10:11
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Really? Despite the problems of the last few years there still pulling in comfortably 4 million pax without breaking a sweat. And your trying to make an argument for 'not having a place in the market'.

I'm certainly not as concerned as you FR.

If MAN grow much more, Ryanair are going to get a little fed up going dizzy in the hold every day.

Something will give eventually.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 11:39
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Despite the problems of the last few years there still pulling in comfortably 4 million pax without breaking a sweat.
But they have lost 20% of their passengers since 2011 which equates to almost 1.2 million, and must be of concern.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 12:53
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If MAN grow much more, Ryanair are going to get a little fed up going dizzy
in the hold every day.

Something will give eventually.
Having seen similar comments on other forums I find it intriguing these issues only seem to be the concern of LPL supporters?

Im sure Ryanair have done their homework and realised more flights=busier airport=chance of holding (such an issue in your eyes yet the flights still keep coming from a multitude of airlines including Ryanair).
I have seen no comments whatsoever from airlines stating they are unhappy with holding at MAN (or anywhere else for that matter), they just seem to be announcing more routes, so pray tell where this grave concern of the LPL supporter is born?

Just as a point, when do these big issues holding take place? On FR24 I only notice it in the peak periods or if there is an incident or weather. Often its only 1 loop, which in reality is not much more of a fuel burn than the down wind finals then approach to LPL I see constantly from the southerly approaches.

Also, as a side note, lets just imagine for one moment LPL was as busy as MAN, would these holds be the same scourge you portray them to be at MAN or would you accept that its just a by-product of a busy airport, because I certainly think your tune would change of the shoe was placed on the other foot.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 15:34
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Lax totally agree with you I do Support Liverpool but not in the way these fanatical supports do.A while back a made a comment on another forum,saying that if Liverpool continued to lose paps there will be a time the owners would call it a white elephant and sell it this got me a ban on that forum.. some idiot on that forum uses that as his signature naming me but he fails to see that things are moving that way not closure but a scalding down of the airport .
He doesn't even see what is happening just spins things like this will happen that will happen but it wont
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 17:23
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So, the airport has lost pax numbers. What if it has increased revenue per pax in the same way that it's main operators have? Is it better to earn 1 a passenger on 5 million, or 2 on 4 million, whilst improving the overall passenger experience and increasing on time performance? Headline figures tell only part of the story.

LPL has mid or long term deals in place with its three key operators. Consolidation is frustrating for the airport's supporters in the short term, but growth will return as the economy picks up.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 17:50
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See what I mean long term deals Wizz drop a route Norg leaving no growth from the big two virtually every other airport is expanding my point is proven
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 03:37
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LPL has mid or long term deals in place with its three key operators
Id trust those deals as far as I could throw them. Wizz signed 5 year deal including growth, yet they have actually shrunk.

Norwegian also signed a 5 year deal. Can I book LPL-CPH after March 28th.......

Yes there may be a chance its all a ruse and things could pick up with bases and blah de blah, but come on, hardly inspires the confidence, does it?

Consolidation is frustrating for the airport's supporters in the short
term
Frustration is one thing, but these random 'factoids' spouted whilst the real world situation tell a different story, like these supposed 'long holds' that will push Ryanair and the likes over to LPL are something else.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 19:19
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Although I hate to say it - I suppose with flyBe's announcement that the IOM base is to close there must be a real risk that they might ditch the IOM-LPL route?
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 12:50
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Can't they crew it from the enlarged MAN base with the aircraft overnighting at LPL?
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 16:19
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Flybe have not said any routes are ending, they have actually infered the opposite. So either it will be crewed from MAN (or another base) or it will operate something like SOU-LPL-IOM-LPL-SOU for example (it could be a different base).
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Old 16th Nov 2013, 21:19
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Well that would require at SOU-LPL route so doubt that would happen.

SOU-IOM-LPL-IOM-SOU maybe??

Would mean the route couldn't operate into LPL at 7:45am or what ever it is and probably not an 8:00pm departure either.

Could base or night stop an aircraft in Liverpool possibly?? They might even night stop in the Isle of Man but without a base??
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 14:27
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Old 14th Dec 2013, 12:15
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So if the rumours of Ryanair down to 5 based aircraft, Flybe pulling the IOM route & Norwegian pulling the CPH route are true where does LPL go from there?

Potentially by next Summer LPL could be down to; 6 based EZY, 5 based RYR & the odd Wizzair flight. Just 3 scheduled airlines!

It's all went very, very quiet...
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Old 14th Dec 2013, 13:18
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I thought it was 4 FR

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Old 14th Dec 2013, 13:29
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Looking at the schedule at the minute it still appears to be 5
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Old 14th Dec 2013, 22:44
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I said 4 a/c for FR on the Ryanair thread but apologies it does indeed seem to be 5. Still a reduction from 6 but early days yet.


Flybe have confirmed they are keeping the IOM route and EasyJet are 7 a/c so suppose that's some good news.


But so far, next year looks to be EasyJet with 7 a/c, Ryanair with 5, Flybe keeping IOM at still 24x weekly (but I would imagine that will reduce if/when IOM base closes), and Wizz with 5 weekly departures.


Compare that to 2011...


EasyJet with 10 a/c, Ryanair with 8, Flybe operating up to 8 departures a day, Wizz up to 10 weekly departures, KLM 3x daily and Eastern Airways 4x daily.


That is a whopping decline really in a fairly short time. Makes me wonder if the management of Liverpool are really that committed.
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Old 10th Jan 2014, 16:02
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LJLA IN EMERGENCY TALKS WITH BANKERS

LJLA is in talks with its bankers after submitting a 7.1million loss.
I did say about two years ago that the losses can not continue, and with no new growth and more flights being reduced or stopped it looks as though my prediction may come true I am sorry to say
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