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Fog/Snow at Modlin
Just been watching flightradar, and flight FR2283 went around at 400 feet. Looks like it is diverting to Lodz.
I visited Warsaw last month, and used Ryanair's service from London Stansted (£16 return!). We were not convinced that the aircraft would land in Modlin, the fog was terrible. However we did land, which was a shame
Was hoping for a diversion into Chopin airport, save the 50 minute bus journey
I visited Warsaw last month, and used Ryanair's service from London Stansted (£16 return!). We were not convinced that the aircraft would land in Modlin, the fog was terrible. However we did land, which was a shame
Was hoping for a diversion into Chopin airport, save the 50 minute bus journey
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Modlin Airport closed until at least 1st January 2013 due to runway issue confirmed in last hour.
Unsure of what is happening with FR flights, mostly going to Lodz at the moment but that is starting to fill up very quickly and can't accept more than a handful of diversions.
Remains to be seen what happens after that and in days to come. WAW of course is an option but for reasons earlier mentioned I can't see them being able to use it that much.
Unsure of what is happening with FR flights, mostly going to Lodz at the moment but that is starting to fill up very quickly and can't accept more than a handful of diversions.
Remains to be seen what happens after that and in days to come. WAW of course is an option but for reasons earlier mentioned I can't see them being able to use it that much.
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Ryanair have issued a statement
Lets hope that all parties work together and make sure that people are not disrupted.
Ryanair was advised by Warsaw Modlin airport at 15:00 hrs today (22 Dec) of an indefinite runway closure for safety reasons.
This runway closure will cause significant flight delays, diversions and possible cancellations and Ryanair intends to divert all Warsaw flights, where possible, to Warsaw Chopin airport, until 24:00hrs Thursday 27 Dec.
Ryanair is seeking further information and details about the cause of this runway closure from Modlin airport. Until such time as Modlin airport advises that the runway has reopened, Ryanair intends to operate all flights to/from Warsaw Chopin airport.
All passengers booked to travel between the 22-27 December 2012 should go directly to Warsaw Chopin Airport
Passenger’s boarding passes from Modlin flights can be used for flights now operating from Warsaw Chopin Airport
An email and SMS has been sent to all affected passengers detailing other rebooking/refund options if required.
Ryanair apologises sincerely for any delays or inconvenience caused by this unexpected runway closure.
Full details of updates, delays and/or cancellations will be published on the “Live Flight Information” page on the Ryanair.com website.
This runway closure will cause significant flight delays, diversions and possible cancellations and Ryanair intends to divert all Warsaw flights, where possible, to Warsaw Chopin airport, until 24:00hrs Thursday 27 Dec.
Ryanair is seeking further information and details about the cause of this runway closure from Modlin airport. Until such time as Modlin airport advises that the runway has reopened, Ryanair intends to operate all flights to/from Warsaw Chopin airport.
All passengers booked to travel between the 22-27 December 2012 should go directly to Warsaw Chopin Airport
Passenger’s boarding passes from Modlin flights can be used for flights now operating from Warsaw Chopin Airport
An email and SMS has been sent to all affected passengers detailing other rebooking/refund options if required.
Ryanair apologises sincerely for any delays or inconvenience caused by this unexpected runway closure.
Full details of updates, delays and/or cancellations will be published on the “Live Flight Information” page on the Ryanair.com website.
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One would think Wizz were expecting this to happen. Would somebody of reported it to General Office of Building Control?
Anyone think that Wizz will remain at Warsaw if they can agree a deal. One thing is for sure it will be very costly for Ryanair and they have said that flights are being sold very very low.
Anyone think that Wizz will remain at Warsaw if they can agree a deal. One thing is for sure it will be very costly for Ryanair and they have said that flights are being sold very very low.
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One would think Wizz were expecting this to happen. Would somebody of reported it to General Office of Building Control?
Anyone think that Wizz will remain at Warsaw if they can agree a deal. One thing is for sure it will be very costly for Ryanair and they have said that flights are being sold very very low.
In the first few months of WMI Wizz load factor was a decent bit higher than FR but during the first three months the gap got smaller and smaller. Since October FR has been carrying a good number of more passengers but the airport has stopped releasing average load factors so it's hard to work out exactly who is ahead since Ryanair run more weekly flights.
However it may well be beneficial for W6 to move to WAW, as this is a central airport which gives them an edge over FR. There is no doubt that FR has took a decent sized chunk of the W6 market share in the last few months, but I haven't seen any statistics on load factor to see who is winning on each particular route.
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It was reported recently that Wizz made a profit of around 60 million last year. Not bad if correct but you expect better from a loco but then the market area served would not be the richest area of Europe. Wizz are not so dependent on sun routes like FR so if FR had the same level of sun routes as Wizz there profits would be a lot lower.
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Do you have a source for that? They continually claim they are profitable but when they are asked to show the numbers they go very quiet and start banding phrases around but not actually mentioning any figures so until they start backing up their statements I'll be skeptical.
They claimed up until middle of 2009 they were profitable for several years when Sky Europe were on their knees. But the only accounts published to date, until mid 2009 showed that they had never made a profit and had actually made a loss in that year and had to put the repayments of debt back a few years.
I'm sure that their financial figures have improved since then without doubt, but how much is open to debate, if they are as good as you say, why not just be open about them, they're nothing to be ashamed of. Just making generic statements such as 'best year ever' and 'large profits' can mean anything, especially given what happened in 2009.l
I'd say this year has been fairly tough for them though, as it's the first time they've had any real competition from FR, up until this year the two companies kept away from each others turf.
They claimed up until middle of 2009 they were profitable for several years when Sky Europe were on their knees. But the only accounts published to date, until mid 2009 showed that they had never made a profit and had actually made a loss in that year and had to put the repayments of debt back a few years.
I'm sure that their financial figures have improved since then without doubt, but how much is open to debate, if they are as good as you say, why not just be open about them, they're nothing to be ashamed of. Just making generic statements such as 'best year ever' and 'large profits' can mean anything, especially given what happened in 2009.l
I'd say this year has been fairly tough for them though, as it's the first time they've had any real competition from FR, up until this year the two companies kept away from each others turf.
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Modlin's problems are not entirely unexpected.
1/ Construction and commission of the new airport were rushed, with associated consequences
2/ Little regard was paid to local weather conditions, with the site being prone to fog due to proximity of the river Vistule (Wisla) - as any local inhabitant would tell you
3/ The short timeframe always looked tight regarding installation and calibration of a CAT I/II ILS
4/ Modlin's Warsaw Pact-style runway was made of concrete slabs. Simply laying asphalt/tarmac on top of these (while quick and relatively cheap) does not prevent subsidence. What about the original runway's PCN? I suspect Ryanair's 737-800s and Wizzair's A320s are heavier than anything that operated on the original runway before...
Methinks Wizzair will try to return to WAW, leaving WMI (if and when it eventually reopens) with only 1 Customer airline: Ryanair.
This debacle, along with the lack of CAT II (or III) approaches except on WAW's runways 11 and 33, does not paint a very serious image of Polish aviation infrastructure or forward thinking.
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1/ Construction and commission of the new airport were rushed, with associated consequences
2/ Little regard was paid to local weather conditions, with the site being prone to fog due to proximity of the river Vistule (Wisla) - as any local inhabitant would tell you
3/ The short timeframe always looked tight regarding installation and calibration of a CAT I/II ILS
4/ Modlin's Warsaw Pact-style runway was made of concrete slabs. Simply laying asphalt/tarmac on top of these (while quick and relatively cheap) does not prevent subsidence. What about the original runway's PCN? I suspect Ryanair's 737-800s and Wizzair's A320s are heavier than anything that operated on the original runway before...
Methinks Wizzair will try to return to WAW, leaving WMI (if and when it eventually reopens) with only 1 Customer airline: Ryanair.
This debacle, along with the lack of CAT II (or III) approaches except on WAW's runways 11 and 33, does not paint a very serious image of Polish aviation infrastructure or forward thinking.
Cheers
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Latest Update:
Ryanair intends to divert all Warsaw flights, where possible, to Warsaw Chopin airport, until 24:00hrs Thursday 3 Jan 2013.
All passengers booked to travel between the 22/12/12 - 03/01/2013 should go directly to Warsaw Chopin Airport
Ryanair intends to divert all Warsaw flights, where possible, to Warsaw Chopin airport, until 24:00hrs Thursday 3 Jan 2013.
All passengers booked to travel between the 22/12/12 - 03/01/2013 should go directly to Warsaw Chopin Airport
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Cracks on the runway and the airport will be closed a lot longer than a few days I expect. Can't see its opening until its rebuild (1000m of it anyway), a quick fix won't solve the problem.
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And your point ?
EU infrastructure development funds are available to all projects that bother to apply including the UK !
The issue is NOT with the funding but clearly with the local project management and cost CUTTING !
It looks like pave weights have been under estimated .
Claims should ultimately be levied against private contractors !
EU infrastructure development funds are available to all projects that bother to apply including the UK !
The issue is NOT with the funding but clearly with the local project management and cost CUTTING !
It looks like pave weights have been under estimated .
Claims should ultimately be levied against private contractors !
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Wizz Air just sent an email that Modlin flights will continue to operate from WAW till at least 31 March, 2013.
Wonder how long will Ryanair will bare high costs of WAW before starting to cancel flights to Warsaw. I think they cannot expect to be compensated for so long - I think Modlin will not have such money.
Wonder how long will Ryanair will bare high costs of WAW before starting to cancel flights to Warsaw. I think they cannot expect to be compensated for so long - I think Modlin will not have such money.
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Most probably it will be closed until May. Not only the surface must be replaced (on a good 1000 m of the runway) but the whole thing 26 cm deep. Works will start in March which will be followed by another "quick" inspection by the authorities.
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Are Wizzair going to Warsaw-Chopin (WAW) permanently now? All flights until the end of the summer season are now bookable to/from WAW.
Ryanair has all flights bookable to/from WAW until 30 April before going back to WMI from 1 May. I'd expect that maybe to be delayed again but seems FR is still committed to returning to WMI. Not so sure about W6 now.
Ryanair has all flights bookable to/from WAW until 30 April before going back to WMI from 1 May. I'd expect that maybe to be delayed again but seems FR is still committed to returning to WMI. Not so sure about W6 now.
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Are Wizzair going to Warsaw-Chopin (WAW) permanently now? All flights until the end of the summer season are now bookable to/from WAW.
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From Wizz Air website:
Could mean two things:
1 - Wizz want to move back, trying to get a better deal at WAW than they had.
2 - Airport to remained closed until 26 October and Ryanair havn't updated there site.
Please be informed that all Wizz Air Warsaw flights will operate to/from Warsaw Chopin airport (WAW) until 26 October.
Thank you for your understanding.
Thank you for your understanding.
1 - Wizz want to move back, trying to get a better deal at WAW than they had.
2 - Airport to remained closed until 26 October and Ryanair havn't updated there site.