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Inkjet, if you are who I suspect you are, you don't deserve to be in management. If you deliberately set out to drive a wedge between regional and baby then mission accomplished. Muppet.
this is complete bull****. The reason that DLH can ask someone to pay for it because it has assets and has been profitable recently and has few large scale liabilities. Unlike baby which has NEVER made a profit, NO assets apart from a cartoon character and bucketful of liabilities and rented old aeroplanes with tired cabins.
If baby is in the best shape ever then you deserve to be closed down. You couldn't make MAN work which is a woeful example of management, and the idiotic excuse that CWL made losses in the winter so close it completely is stupidity of the highest level. You have to cap pax levels because your aeroplanes can't carry pax luggage and fuel from your new super base BHD to the med without tech stopping in EMA
that's going to be a good move. NOT.
I could rip the rest of your Soviet style Baby propaganda to shreds but anyone who understands the business would see how ridiculous your assertions are. If Baby is so fantastic why are Lufty having to PAY others to to haul the wreckage away??? AND STILL THERE ARE NO BUYERS!!
You will of course now lump me in with all the anti-baby group, but then you seem to think it is fair game to attack my division with twisted logic and insults
Regional is an odd ball in that it has little or no control over its income, sailing on the coat tail of bmi mainline and its ad hoc work for BEline and Airbus and at this level is profitable, remove any or all of them and it is difficult to see a business case. It also has assets in the shape of its ERJ but the world has moved away from small jets due to high fuel costs, so out side of bmi/DLH/BA it is not clear to me how it could support it's self from an ABZ base, plus unlike baby it seems that DLH actually wants some one to pay for it?
If baby is in the best shape ever then you deserve to be closed down. You couldn't make MAN work which is a woeful example of management, and the idiotic excuse that CWL made losses in the winter so close it completely is stupidity of the highest level. You have to cap pax levels because your aeroplanes can't carry pax luggage and fuel from your new super base BHD to the med without tech stopping in EMA
that's going to be a good move. NOT.I could rip the rest of your Soviet style Baby propaganda to shreds but anyone who understands the business would see how ridiculous your assertions are. If Baby is so fantastic why are Lufty having to PAY others to to haul the wreckage away??? AND STILL THERE ARE NO BUYERS!!
You will of course now lump me in with all the anti-baby group, but then you seem to think it is fair game to attack my division with twisted logic and insults
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On the subject of airlines pulling out of bases why do bmibaby get so much stick. What about BA who have pulled out of almost every airport in the UK, easyjet who pulled out of EMA, Ryanair who have pulled out of just about everywhere at some point including Manchester and Belfast City where they themselves couldn't operate full aircraft due to payload restrictions.
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You have to cap pax levels because your aeroplanes can't carry pax luggage and fuel from your new super base BHD to the med without tech stopping in EMA that's going to be a good move.
I can remember a significant number of times we left luggage golf clubs and guns behind on the Embraer due to max zero fuel weight so you are hardly talking from a position of strength and also the charters with ABZ crew that went to Portugal that didn't have a hope in hell of getting to destination without a tech stop and the man cag which was much the same. I am ex regional but don't throw stones in glass houses.
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Oh and didn't regional re finance some of the early Embraers to raise operating capital in 2009.
Granite you can only be at greater risk without the parents money and route influence.
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Edited because I posted after too many beers!
Granite you can only be at greater risk without the parents money and route influence.
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Edited because I posted after too many beers!
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Say again s l ow l y
It is clear that you need to take the blinkers off.
BA require at least another 250 engineering staff-now. Gawd knows how many more due to natural wastage over the coming years.
The trouble is they are needed at LHR not EMA.
Be well and good luck all. You will need it.
It's also clear that there will be very few people taken into BA from bmi apart from flight crew.
BA require at least another 250 engineering staff-now. Gawd knows how many more due to natural wastage over the coming years.
The trouble is they are needed at LHR not EMA.
Be well and good luck all. You will need it.
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There are 4800 people at bmi. 250 is a small percentage in my book. My blinkers have been off my head for months over this.
When it comes to job security, from what I can see/have been told, the closer you are to the actual operation, the better.
Donington Hall seems destined to close, whilst that wasn't said explicitly, there wasn't a lot of guesswork needed on that when we got a visit from BA.
Anyone who thinks that the majority of jobs at bmi are safe or likely to be taken on by BA, is I'm afraid, only fooling themselves.
Some people will of course be taken on, but the unpalatable reality is that the majority of us will have to find new employment in the near future.
Hopefully Regional and Baby won't have to go through this.
When it comes to job security, from what I can see/have been told, the closer you are to the actual operation, the better.
Donington Hall seems destined to close, whilst that wasn't said explicitly, there wasn't a lot of guesswork needed on that when we got a visit from BA.
Anyone who thinks that the majority of jobs at bmi are safe or likely to be taken on by BA, is I'm afraid, only fooling themselves.
Some people will of course be taken on, but the unpalatable reality is that the majority of us will have to find new employment in the near future.
Hopefully Regional and Baby won't have to go through this.
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27 Airbus at bmi
19 ERJs at Regional
14 737s at baby
Do the sums Einstein!
I was being extremely generous: if you work on the 4800 at bmi divided by 27 frames it is even worse!
19 ERJs at Regional
14 737s at baby
Do the sums Einstein!
I was being extremely generous: if you work on the 4800 at bmi divided by 27 frames it is even worse!
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I would point out that FR are well known to have the majority of their aircraft crewed by "contractors" and are thus, not included in total numbers of FR employees. There are two benefits for FR, they can park up aircraft, or expand the schedule as market requires it with the nice benefit of being able to say how few employees they have compared to the average airline. I also think its fair to say FR have a pretty bare-bones HQ operation, no customer service department to speak of, no GDS to support, no e-mail address, no FFP, no ground handlers, no minatenance, etc. Their only point of contact is the website and a contracted call centre. I'm not saying this is wrong, but I'm saying if you are going to compare, FR is probably not the best, someone like easyJet might be more appropriate, or better still BA or Virgin.
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Ryanair does have its down ground handing in Dublin. Maybe you should look how many people actually work in head office. The difference with regards to staffing levels is, everyone who is in ryanair is required, no one extra. And endless middle management walking about.
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