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The extra Monarch flights are to make up for the loss of BMIBaby on the route so really not many extra seats. Malaga has always been able to support several carriers on the BHX-AGP route. Birmingham-Malaga consistantly carries the third largest number of UK originating passengers after London and Manchester almost 30,000 in April and this year 71,000 passengers so far. (source Aena)
The extra Monarch flights are to make up for the loss of BMIBaby on the route so really not many extra seats. Malaga has always been able to support several carriers on the BHX-AGP route. Birmingham-Malaga consistantly carries the third largest number of UK originating passengers after London and Manchester almost 30,000 in April and this year 71,000 passengers so far. (source Aena)
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Just back from FUE, no problem with the flights themselves, but delay of 60+ minutes on the way out on 16th and the same on the return last night, love driving home at 1.30am!
Delay due to late arrival aircraft on previous flight on both occasions The sooner MAN - FUE gets back to an early morning departure the better as delays seem to be becoming the norm at the moment.
Just noticed todays FAO - MAN also 50 mins + late due at 14.25, hoped for arrival at 15.20
Not life threatening just very annoying, maybe I am just getting grumpy in my old age
Delay due to late arrival aircraft on previous flight on both occasions The sooner MAN - FUE gets back to an early morning departure the better as delays seem to be becoming the norm at the moment.
Just noticed todays FAO - MAN also 50 mins + late due at 14.25, hoped for arrival at 15.20
Not life threatening just very annoying, maybe I am just getting grumpy in my old age
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I just feel that they would give more of a thought to MAN which is its largest scheduled base afterall?
As for destinations, BHX had no scheduled flights to Madeira or Sharm hence why ZB have stepped in this winter, I believe at MAN these services already exist. You could argue that BHX should also have flights to VRN and Friedricshafen which ZB do or will do from MAN but the business case from BHX is obviously not there at present. Of course MAN will see ZB expansion in the future as well but each base will of course have destinations served that are not available from others based on individual local catchment demand.
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That is all very well and true. P.S MON dont serve Madeira on a ZB service from MAN 
Unless you meant Madeira being served at all as a destination, which ofcourse it is by TOM and LS
Unless you meant Madeira being served at all as a destination, which ofcourse it is by TOM and LS
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The ZB MAN check in wasn't as bad as I expected this morning. However, the flight departed 2hours 30 late ( to BCN). No announcements re the reason for the delay were made until the actual scheduled departure time of 8am. Then the times were changed from 0800, to 0930, to 0950 to 1030 etc. Only after 9am was any significant reason given. £5 vouchers came out only after 930, by which time most people had already purchased refreshments & it was almost time to board.
The operating aircraft was due to position in from Luton, but was delayed due to fog at Luton.Keeping passengers up to date was good once the communication channels opened. however, Up until 9am, the handling agents claimed to know as much as we did.
Not a good day for MAN-BCN as the Jet2 flight left 4 hours late.
Sure these things happen, but when there is no aircraft on the airport to operate the flight,it's nice to know why & when it will go, so arrangements can be amended.
The operating aircraft was due to position in from Luton, but was delayed due to fog at Luton.Keeping passengers up to date was good once the communication channels opened. however, Up until 9am, the handling agents claimed to know as much as we did.
Not a good day for MAN-BCN as the Jet2 flight left 4 hours late.
Sure these things happen, but when there is no aircraft on the airport to operate the flight,it's nice to know why & when it will go, so arrangements can be amended.
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Mr A Tis might of seen you then this morning for the BCN. I was keeping an eye on the queue first thing, if you saw anyone with a red clipboard that was me. I wasn't aware that there was a delay on the BCN flight so it must of been once most people were going through security. The fog I can understand why it caused a bit of a delay, yesterday there was very heavy mist for about an hour in the morning at MAN.
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Thanks Dazza point taken but just wondering if going from a B733 to a 320/321 with all those extra seats available is really going to work out - I do hope so but just looking at the number of UK ´´trippers´´ as we call them down here I just have my doubts.
Also Baby never achieved a profit so also concerned about the yield but let us hope everything turns out OK.
Also Baby never achieved a profit so also concerned about the yield but let us hope everything turns out OK.
Well a £5 voucher for a 2hr 30minute delay is much better than EZY.
My LPL-GVA flight with EZY was delayed by 4hr 30 mins recently and all we received was a paltry £3 voucher
My LPL-GVA flight with EZY was delayed by 4hr 30 mins recently and all we received was a paltry £3 voucher
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delay compensation
FLIGHT DELAY RULES - ENGLISH
What are your rights by flight delays?
Depending on the length of your flight and the duration of the delay, the airline has an obligation to offer you free assitance.
1. For flights of 1500 km or less, a delay of 2 hours or more.
2. For flights of more than 1500 km within the EU and all other flights between 1500 km and 3500 km, with a delay of 3 hours or more.
3. For flights of more than 3500 km outside the EU, a delay of 4 hours or more.
In all these cases you're entitled to:
Free refreshments and meals in a reasonable relation to the delay time.
Two free phone calls-mail, faxes or e mails.
Free hotel accommodation if you have one or more nights to wait, or if your planned stay to be extended by the delay.
Free transport to and from the accommodation and the airport.
For all flights (regardless of distance), if you have a delay of more than 5 hours you may waive the trip. You are then entitled to full refund of your unused ticket. Is it a return flight, then the company can offer, an alternative flight. Stranded on an airport transfer is not possible to fly on? Then you are also entitled to a free return flight to the airport from where you left.
Right to compensation for delays!
On November 19, 2009, the European Court of Justice ruled that passengers on a delayed flight right to financial compensation. Passengers 3 or more hours later than planned to reach their destination, may require compensation from the airline. The following financial compensation shall apply:
1, from € 250, - for flights of 1500 km
2, from € 400, - for flights of more than 1500 km within the EU and all other flights between 1500 km and 3500 km
3, from € 600, - for flights of more than 3500 km
Delay does not entitle you to compensation if the airline can prove that there was force majeure, in other words, if the delay is due to extraordinary circumstances beyond its actual control and that, despite taking all reasonable measures, not could be avoided.
What are your rights by flight delays?
Depending on the length of your flight and the duration of the delay, the airline has an obligation to offer you free assitance.
1. For flights of 1500 km or less, a delay of 2 hours or more.
2. For flights of more than 1500 km within the EU and all other flights between 1500 km and 3500 km, with a delay of 3 hours or more.
3. For flights of more than 3500 km outside the EU, a delay of 4 hours or more.
In all these cases you're entitled to:
Free refreshments and meals in a reasonable relation to the delay time.
Two free phone calls-mail, faxes or e mails.
Free hotel accommodation if you have one or more nights to wait, or if your planned stay to be extended by the delay.
Free transport to and from the accommodation and the airport.
For all flights (regardless of distance), if you have a delay of more than 5 hours you may waive the trip. You are then entitled to full refund of your unused ticket. Is it a return flight, then the company can offer, an alternative flight. Stranded on an airport transfer is not possible to fly on? Then you are also entitled to a free return flight to the airport from where you left.
Right to compensation for delays!
On November 19, 2009, the European Court of Justice ruled that passengers on a delayed flight right to financial compensation. Passengers 3 or more hours later than planned to reach their destination, may require compensation from the airline. The following financial compensation shall apply:
1, from € 250, - for flights of 1500 km
2, from € 400, - for flights of more than 1500 km within the EU and all other flights between 1500 km and 3500 km
3, from € 600, - for flights of more than 3500 km
Delay does not entitle you to compensation if the airline can prove that there was force majeure, in other words, if the delay is due to extraordinary circumstances beyond its actual control and that, despite taking all reasonable measures, not could be avoided.
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the number of UK ´´trippers´´ as we call them down here
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Very funny IB4138 saw some ´´Trainee Lobsers´´ this morning. I suppose we could all lump them together as ´´Riff Raff´´but that would be unfair!
Also Dazza just being reported in the local press that there was a drop of 13 per cent on the number of Brits visiting Spain in April compared to last year so that is why I was pointing out the increase in available seats now being put on the market by Monarch and Jet2.
Also Dazza just being reported in the local press that there was a drop of 13 per cent on the number of Brits visiting Spain in April compared to last year so that is why I was pointing out the increase in available seats now being put on the market by Monarch and Jet2.
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As others have said, the increase is for the six week school holiday period when the ZB/WW routes are duplicated.
As soon as Baby end in September the Monarch increases still fall short of the number of seats offered by Baby on AGP, ALC, PMI, FAO & FCO.
Nice could well be up a bit as the Baby was due to reduce at the end of September.
Monarch have yet to increase AGP & ALC in winter either to cover the Baby flights which usually operate, so they haven't gone totally over the top.
As others have said, the increase is for the six week school holiday period when the ZB/WW routes are duplicated.
As soon as Baby end in September the Monarch increases still fall short of the number of seats offered by Baby on AGP, ALC, PMI, FAO & FCO.
Nice could well be up a bit as the Baby was due to reduce at the end of September.
Monarch have yet to increase AGP & ALC in winter either to cover the Baby flights which usually operate, so they haven't gone totally over the top.
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I suppose we could all lump them together as ´´Riff Raff´´but that would be unfair!
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At least TSR2 brings some commonsense to what is, unfortunately, a common attitude by Brits abroad. I share my time between the UK and Portugal and know only too well that the economy on the Algarve would collapse if it was not for the 'Riff Raff' English coming in and spending their hard-earned Euros. I am sure the same is the case for southern Spain as well.
From experience the vast majority of the 'Riff Raff' are thoroughly decent, hard-working people who are both polite and pleasant to the Portuguese.
My experience has also shown that it is the likes of C3B who are the proverbial pain in the backside.
Let's be generous in our thoughts and attitudes, don't put people down because they are seeking a little sun, warm weather on a budget holiday.
Without them, some European economies and airlines would be facing an even greater crisis.
From experience the vast majority of the 'Riff Raff' are thoroughly decent, hard-working people who are both polite and pleasant to the Portuguese.
My experience has also shown that it is the likes of C3B who are the proverbial pain in the backside.
Let's be generous in our thoughts and attitudes, don't put people down because they are seeking a little sun, warm weather on a budget holiday.
Without them, some European economies and airlines would be facing an even greater crisis.
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Well said that man, Consdering the state of the southern european banana republics i would have thought every euro spent there by the hardworking productive riff raff from the northern end of the eurozone would be more than welcome.
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No chance. Too many lobster trainees about crompton, filling restaurants, bars and taking up parking places in their hire chariots! 
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