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Old 20th May 2012, 21:20
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could not agree more on the MAN routes. Why they picked MAN-MUC I don't know. Luftie do it 3 x a day, Easy do it 6 x a week & not to mention a daily 777 of Singapore. I'm sure there are other destinations that are not as well served as this one.
Well to be honest, id rather have MON add munich to MAN than them not at all, after all growth is growth, not only that but they are more looking at the ski pax rather than the business pax are they not? as well they will have the backing of tour operators ala cosmos!

Exactly other destinations such as Nice or Funchal Which have hardly any presence by a carrier into MAN on them - if not at all exc TCX/TOM

Such a shame that BHX is seeing more flights added than MAN - with MAN being a very very big base for MON.
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Old 20th May 2012, 21:24
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That just caps one awful weekend at BHX although "BX" was not showing emergency squawk per flightradar24 when it landed.

That was about the 5th problem this weekend at BHX: -

"EG" arrived BHX Saturday lunch grounded until this morning

"BR" arrived BHX Saturday lunch grounded until this morning

Outbound Las Palmas yesterday afternoon delayed until this morning and operated by Air Finland 757. It came back this evening and operated out again on this afternoons delayed Paphos.

"BG" arrived lunchtime from Palma not flown since.

"BR" operated this morning and outbound this afternoon to Dalaman, about 90 minutes into the flight (over Karlsruhe) it did a 180 and diverted Gatwick and the return flight delayed until tomorrow evening.
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Old 20th May 2012, 21:29
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MON is also having a bit of trouble at MAN as well.

Fridays GIB flight delayed for a very long time and ended up going to AGP - although that was due to the bad weather in GIB.

Im sure there was a problem with a DLM flight in the week - aircraft went tech i believe and there was an aircraft change. cant remember the reason why but i definately saw the aircraft reg change on the departure screens.

Milan was also affected although this might have been the week before but still.

Its also worthwhile to mention that loads on MAN flights have been very healthy - especially when checking in at peak times - morning and lunch time where queues have gone from the check-in desks 57 etc all the way down to the TOM ticket desk and even sometime upto and even inside the skylink!

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Old 20th May 2012, 22:28
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I think the expansion at BHX has a lot to do with Bmibaby shutting down and the new routes are to fill in the schedule for the extra flights planned from July.
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Old 20th May 2012, 22:35
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Mr.... I don't know if that means 4 are Leaving.. But there was a meeting last week and 7 extra a/c was mentioned taking it up to 35 for this winter.
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Old 21st May 2012, 10:18
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OltonPete & Harer92 you are both right about the delays at the moment. Quite a few aircraft are going tech now and then.

Regarding what Harer92 said about load factor at MAN, Monarch are certainly doing well on pretty much all the routes, all flights are either full or have about 5 seats free.

The Italian routes do seem to be fluctuating in terms of passengers. One day we had over 150 on the Milan Malpensa flight but only about 40 on the Verona and they ended up putting all the Verona passengers on the Milan flight. Yesterday when I was in work, we had 121 on the Verona flight and only 31 on the Milan flight, they seem to be changing by the day but lets hope these new routes really pick up soon. Apart from that, the rest of the network out of MAN is doing fine.
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Old 21st May 2012, 12:42
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If the ZB check in stretches as far back as the Skylink, then 1) I'm not surprised almost all flights have been delayed & 2) it would certainly put me off booking again with them. I will find out for myself on Thursday morning.
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MON certainly seem to have taken over T2 recently it seems every stand has a MON aircraft on it
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Old 21st May 2012, 22:07
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Such a shame that BHX is seeing more flights added than MAN - with MAN being a very very big base for MON.
Why is it a shame? What an odd thing to say. Why shouldn't Monarch expand out of other airports? New Monarch routes and increased frequencies on existing routes more than make up for the loss of BMIBaby at Birmingham. Monarch have seen an opportunity at Birmingham and have grabbed it with both hands.

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Old 22nd May 2012, 07:12
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"BR". F/O felt unwell that is why the aircraft returned to LGW.
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Old 22nd May 2012, 15:12
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Why is it a shame? What an odd thing to say. Why shouldn't Monarch expand out of other airports? New Monarch routes and increased frequencies on existing routes more than make up for the loss of BMIBaby at Birmingham. Monarch have seen an opportunity at Birmingham and have grabbed it with both hands.
It is good that Monarch are doing something right and seizing hold of a gap in the market now that BMIB is closing down - i applaud them for that and for expanding out of other bases. I just feel that they would give more of a thought to MAN which is its largest scheduled base afterall? Although there has been an increase in destinations at MAN by MON, some flights to spain and what not have been cut to enable these Italian destinations to be brought into the MON network at MAN. Im just hoping that MON see that flights to Nice and Madeira will work for them at MAN as there are only 2 flights a week from Jet2 or TOM.

It is also unusual to see that Heraklion is still MON flight here, while it is ZB elsewhere?

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Old 22nd May 2012, 15:21
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'' I just feel that they would give more of a thought to MAN which is its largest scheduled base after all? ''

Believe it or not harer92, an awful lot of thought is given to any major expansion.....our commercial dept have obviously been working incredibly hard on this very subject for many months now and continue to do so....these decisions are not made or taken lightly (or with little thought either!!!)
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Yeah thats obvious and can understand that, but I am merely stating my opinion.

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Old 22nd May 2012, 18:45
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I think NCE will be good for MON from MAN.

Also wonder why they don't operate any Scheduled Greek flights from MAN as they do from all the other bases? I personally think CFU and HER will also be good from MAN
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Old 22nd May 2012, 20:22
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MKY661...............thanks for those suggestions, I'll pass them on to KG via the isuggest system!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 22nd May 2012, 20:26
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I wonder if the new bases at EMA from this summer and LBA next year will have any effect on Monarch's future plans and operations out of MAN?
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Old 22nd May 2012, 20:31
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How about Butuan, Southern Philippines too?
I always use Monarch to Lanzarote.....

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T2office , Is KG the genius responsible for monarch flying empty planes to places no one wishes to go? If so he may do well to listen to the suggestions that Greek destinations may be a good idea especially if Greece returns to the Drachma

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Old 23rd May 2012, 11:10
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I see the schedules for Luton seem to have taken a bit of a hammering to accomodate the new and extra services from Birmingham, East Midlands and Leeds-Bradford. No actual routes cut but schedules reduced on a number of routes.
A bit concerned by the extra flights to Malaga from Birmingham - what I have seen living down in here on the Costa del Sol there does not seem to be that many UK ´´trippers´´ making the journey and when they are here there not spending either but that is not Monarch´s problem.
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Spottilludrop writes:

'Is KG the genius responsible for monarch flying empty planes to places no one wishes to go? If so he may do well to listen to the suggestions that Greek destinations may be a good idea especially if Greece returns to the Drachma'

''A good idea'''????


From todays Sky News:

'''However, this year bookings to Greece are down by a fifth and since the
indecisive elections the numbers booking holidays have dropped further.'''


Funny..........in my 25 yrs plus with MON, Ive only ever flown an a/c empty when it was intended to be empty, ie posn flights......where are we flying empty a/c too??? Please tell....................

Loads continually on the up, and have been for the last 18 months now, capacity over 92% on last review, yields up too, someones doing something right

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