Brighton City Airways
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I've never seen seats that large in a Let 410.
I hope that they have better luck than the Twin Pin that used to operate out of Shoreham-Brighton-London Airport to the CI a few years ago that lasted ? Months.
Surely it would be quicker to get the London-Lydd- Paris/Le Touquet flight?
I hope that they have better luck than the Twin Pin that used to operate out of Shoreham-Brighton-London Airport to the CI a few years ago that lasted ? Months.
Surely it would be quicker to get the London-Lydd- Paris/Le Touquet flight?
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A few years ago I arranged for the Air Wales DO228 to go into Shoreham with the idea of operating schedules to Cardiff, Why I mention this is that a large Insurance company which has offices in both places, a motor company with a plant in Bridgend and an IT company were all willing to GUARANTEE a certain number of passengers per flight. It would have covered the costs but the owner of the Company didn't want to do it.
It is just possible these guys have done their homework and such possibilities still exist, on its own it probably doesn't stand a snowballs chance of making a profit but I have long felt there are niche possibilities from Shoreham at the right price - a pretty high price.
Good luck!
It is just possible these guys have done their homework and such possibilities still exist, on its own it probably doesn't stand a snowballs chance of making a profit but I have long felt there are niche possibilities from Shoreham at the right price - a pretty high price.
Good luck!
Only in a "Boyzone" world would a Puddle Jumper operation of 19 seats, with no 'crapper' and no cabin crew, come anywhere close to subsidizing for a B737/A320 sized operation, with 'crappers' and cabin crew, in/out of LGW.
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VAN AIR EUROPE
Mmmmmmmm van air Europe are the same mob that operate flights on behalf of manx2.com, the local travel agent that models itself as an airline.
Noel Hayes apparently owns 49% of van air Europe
Noel Hayes apparently owns 49% of van air Europe
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A whois on the domain:
Domain name: brightoncityairways.co.uk Registrant: City Airways Registrant type: UK Individual Registrant's address: The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service. Registrar: Heart Internet Ltd t/a Heart Internet [Tag = HEARTINTERNET] URL:
Something not quite right there I think.
Domain name: brightoncityairways.co.uk Registrant: City Airways Registrant type: UK Individual Registrant's address: The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service. Registrar: Heart Internet Ltd t/a Heart Internet [Tag = HEARTINTERNET] URL:
Something not quite right there I think.
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I don't have any connection with Brighton City Airways but have had some brief contact with Candelon in the past and he's no fraud. The backing of Neil Laughton (ex-SAS/Marines turned entrepreneur, adventurer and pilot) would imply that this isn't particularly dodgy - unprofitable maybe but a con? Certainly not.
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When I ran a "whois" search on this outfit a year or so back the result came up as a residential address in Haywards Heath and a Hotmail email account.
Now it's quite easy to change all that, just change the registered address to an office, perhaps "Brighton City Airways c/o Shoreham-By-Sea Airport, and change the email address to "[email protected] or whatever.
Or one, or others, could opt to remain anonymous and I've a pretty good damn idea that they are reading every word that is posted here!!!!!
Now it's quite easy to change all that, just change the registered address to an office, perhaps "Brighton City Airways c/o Shoreham-By-Sea Airport, and change the email address to "[email protected] or whatever.
Or one, or others, could opt to remain anonymous and I've a pretty good damn idea that they are reading every word that is posted here!!!!!
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Quote: “I'd been reading this ridiculous press statement:
Franco-British ties will be stronger than ever with the launch of direct flights from Brighton to Paris.
Firstly, if Shoreham Airport were in Brighton then it wouldn't be called "Shoreham" ... Then one reads that it's actually to Pontoise, which is not a designated Paris airport, and it's to be operated by a 19 seater 'Puddle Jumper'.”
Agreed, the statement is vacuous nonsense. Still, good luck to them if (clearly it is a big “if”) they can make it work. If there were LGW flights, there would expect there to be no chance.
Quote: “By air
Brighton - Shoreham Airport: 15m
Check-in/security: 30m (generous)
Flight: 1h
Immigration/customs/baggage collection: 15m
Pontoise Airport - RER (A) Cergy – Préfecture: 15m
RER (A) Cergy – Préfecture - Charles de Gaulle-Etoile (Arc de Triomphe): 45m
Total time: 3h maximum
Total cost: £150 return inc. transfers
By train
Brighton - Ashford International: 1h46 minimum
Transfer time: 20m minimum (cutting it a little fine)
Ashford International - Paris Gare du Nord: 1h53 minimum
Total time: 4h minimum, often 5h
Total cost: £99 return minimum, often £138 return”
TheEurostar is not going to help in this case: almost 2 hours to Ashford (London may be a little quicker). As is often the case, mainline trains work best from city centre to city centre.
It’s probably about 2 hours to Heathrow via Clapham Junction and Feltham) for a flight to CDG/ORY, so maybe the "puddle jumpers" could work.
Franco-British ties will be stronger than ever with the launch of direct flights from Brighton to Paris.
Firstly, if Shoreham Airport were in Brighton then it wouldn't be called "Shoreham" ... Then one reads that it's actually to Pontoise, which is not a designated Paris airport, and it's to be operated by a 19 seater 'Puddle Jumper'.”
Agreed, the statement is vacuous nonsense. Still, good luck to them if (clearly it is a big “if”) they can make it work. If there were LGW flights, there would expect there to be no chance.
Quote: “By air
Brighton - Shoreham Airport: 15m
Check-in/security: 30m (generous)
Flight: 1h
Immigration/customs/baggage collection: 15m
Pontoise Airport - RER (A) Cergy – Préfecture: 15m
RER (A) Cergy – Préfecture - Charles de Gaulle-Etoile (Arc de Triomphe): 45m
Total time: 3h maximum
Total cost: £150 return inc. transfers
By train
Brighton - Ashford International: 1h46 minimum
Transfer time: 20m minimum (cutting it a little fine)
Ashford International - Paris Gare du Nord: 1h53 minimum
Total time: 4h minimum, often 5h
Total cost: £99 return minimum, often £138 return”
TheEurostar is not going to help in this case: almost 2 hours to Ashford (London may be a little quicker). As is often the case, mainline trains work best from city centre to city centre.
It’s probably about 2 hours to Heathrow via Clapham Junction and Feltham) for a flight to CDG/ORY, so maybe the "puddle jumpers" could work.
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Firstly, if Shoreham Airport were in Brighton then it wouldn't be called "Shoreham" ... Then one reads that it's actually to Pontoise, which is not a designated Paris airport, and it's to be operated by a 19 seater 'Puddle Jumper'.”
Agreed, the statement is vacuous nonsense. Still, good luck to them if (clearly it is a big “if”) they can make it work. If there were LGW flights, there would expect there to be no chance.
Agreed, the statement is vacuous nonsense. Still, good luck to them if (clearly it is a big “if”) they can make it work. If there were LGW flights, there would expect there to be no chance.
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Shall we start at base camp - Brighton City Airways is not regsitered with companies house. City Airways Ltd is a non trading/dormant company. Website full of library pictures and no contact us page/telephone number. NO mention of any nation AOC. NO ABTA Bonding. As someone before mentioned - no cabin crew and no crapper at £69 each way. 
Depart Brighton 09.37
Arrive St. Pancras 11.04
Depart St, Pancras 11.31
Arrive Paris (proper Paris, in the City) 14.47.
That's 4' 10" actual.
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Whilst still laughing at SpeedbirdXK8's comments RedhillPhil please refrain from presuming that the punters will all be coming from central Brighton ... Do all Southampton's punters come from Central Southampton ... Both Brighton & Southampton having PDQ train lines to central london? ... What's the train time to/from London/Paris and Shoreham-By-Sea?
Suggesting a fare in GBP's out of Pontoise, Pontoise being on the Euro, well perhaps the operator behind the website has a fixation with the number "sixty nine" which might be all one receives for their money!
Suggesting a fare in GBP's out of Pontoise, Pontoise being on the Euro, well perhaps the operator behind the website has a fixation with the number "sixty nine" which might be all one receives for their money!
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But then how about Horsham and/or East Grinstead to Shoreham-By Sea-Rail then farting around by road to the aerodreome then, allowing for delays, some 1hr check-in then 1hr, minus cabin crew and crapper, flight then public transport Pontoise to central Paris (check it out on ratp.fr - Accueil if one dares to navigate the french language compared to Horsham and/or East Grinstead by rail, with cabin crew and crapper, to central Paris.
compared to Horsham and/or East Grinstead by rail, with cabin crew and crapper, to central Paris.
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Easy to criticise a new airline startup. Much harder to set an airljne up yourself. Mr Candelon will have had to put up a fair chunk of personal cash to start the company and a lot of time. If you think you can do better, there's nothing to stop you. Watch the Apprentice or Dragon's Den for starters
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davidjohnson6. You are so right. Starting an airline is probably the most difficult thing to do in the world. The failure rate is exponential. Perhaps that is why so many are so cynical about the prospects of this attempt, which lets face it is right on the fringes of commercial aviation.