Airlines told: 'cut their loads by half'
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My reading is that the current offer on the table is that no one within 10 of retirement age will be affected by this, and yes some will have to pay more, the bottom line is that life expectancies have increased by 10+ years in a generation. The real question you and your wife should be asking is WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? Whilst there are many dedicated individuals in the public sector, everyone will know of at least one that take the p**s with sickness & poor performance that few in the private sector would get away with and it is the private sector that funds this, the Government has no money of it's own, these are public servants they are "employed" to serve us not the other way round, the vast majority have been lead like sheep into this strike and for many it will be a day off to get some Xmas shopping done, safe in the knowledge that there will be no repercussions for not turning up other than a loss of a days pay, now just imagine what the reaction would be mid August if airline crews decided to have a unpaid days leave and left these people sat in departure lounges for 24 hours!
As you approach the inevitable immigration queues on arriving back in to the UK, the signs say "Tougher checks means longer queues". Translated this actually means " In order to cut costs we have reduced the number of immigaration officers by 25% over the last 5 years, this means longer queues. Oh and by the way that bit about the tougher checks is a fib as well".
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Once again an emotive title which doesn't reflect the truth, airlines have been asked if they can, not told. Giving it some thought making such a suggestion to avoid problems actually seems a sensible idea, dont you think?
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"the bottom line is that life expectancies have increased by 10+ years in a generation"
It is average life expectancies that have increased - largely due to less infancy deaths. It is a myth that people are living longer - it is actually that more people are living to the same age. But the Civil Service has actually shrunk in this time.
But of course if the Government says it's true then we it must be true - just like the fact that kids leave primary school barely able to read or write yet GCSE and 'A' levels results get better every year!
If you signed a contract to buy a car at a certain monthly payment and the company turned round half way through your repayment plan and suddenly said sorry but we want more now the I'm pretty sure you'd be upset.
Perhaps if we didn't spend so much on oversead aid or good old Gordon hadn't sold the nations gold reserves, then we wouldn't be having this debate!
It is average life expectancies that have increased - largely due to less infancy deaths. It is a myth that people are living longer - it is actually that more people are living to the same age. But the Civil Service has actually shrunk in this time.
But of course if the Government says it's true then we it must be true - just like the fact that kids leave primary school barely able to read or write yet GCSE and 'A' levels results get better every year!
If you signed a contract to buy a car at a certain monthly payment and the company turned round half way through your repayment plan and suddenly said sorry but we want more now the I'm pretty sure you'd be upset.
Perhaps if we didn't spend so much on oversead aid or good old Gordon hadn't sold the nations gold reserves, then we wouldn't be having this debate!
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I do not know of many people in the public or private sector that would stand by and allow such a radical change to their terms and conditions.
Many of those in the Private Sector (that's a statement of fact).
Many of those in the Public Sector? (that's a rhetorical question - 'None' is the answer).
See the difference do we?
Of course you don't. You only see what you want to see and ignore the facts.
Still going on strike are we?
Of course you are - because you're selfish and the taxpayer is footing the bill.
Giving it some thought making such a suggestion to avoid problems actually seems a sensible idea, dont you think?
Another problem the airlines will face if forced to keep pax on board is that the aircraft and crew will not be available for their next trip leading to huge knock-on problems and loss of revenue, hotel bills etc. Also, just consider the safety potential of tired crew on a parked aircraft with pax kicking off and possibly trying to open doors.
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Originally Posted by ncleflights
I do not know of many people in the public or private sector that would stand by and allow such a radical change to their terms and conditions.
Originally Posted by ncleflights
Remember this crises was not caused by your public sector refuse collectors, town hall cleaners, grave diggers, home helps etc, some of the poorest paid in society
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I'm a public sector worker and, funnily enough a tax payer too. Does this make me self employed? Given that my taxes have also been used to bail out the banking sector and subsidise the various tax allowances, reliefs and concessions offered to the private sector, does that make me a shareholder of their companies too?
No, I didn't think so. Some of the language used in the debate around public and private sector is unnecessarily inflammatory and masks the fact that there are well off and badly off in both. Current circumstances though are providing an excuse for a cynical revision of terms and conditions by many employers in both sectors.
Oh, and I haven't had a pay increase since 2009 despite average inflation pushing 5% over the period....
No, I didn't think so. Some of the language used in the debate around public and private sector is unnecessarily inflammatory and masks the fact that there are well off and badly off in both. Current circumstances though are providing an excuse for a cynical revision of terms and conditions by many employers in both sectors.
concurrent with average pay little more than frozen (this is to say, real-terms pay cuts). Meanwhile, the public sector has continued to benefit from pre-agreed pay rises and protected pensions
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BBC News - Labour MP calls for Heathrow to be closed during strike
Is there no intelligence test to be an MP?
OK so we shut LHR for "health and safety" reasons, then what? Sorry, my bad, MPs can't do strategic thinking....
Is there no intelligence test to be an MP?
OK so we shut LHR for "health and safety" reasons, then what? Sorry, my bad, MPs can't do strategic thinking....
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Why let the truth get in the way of a good story...
Ah no, WHBM, as the net benefit to the Treasury of the changes in tax treatment was zero; there was a corresponding cut in Corporation Tax at the same time that tax relief was removed on Advanced Corporation Tax. Perhaps your ire would be better directed at those companies that used the changes to raise profits rather than offer employees a better pension...
Anyone wishing to avoid Heathrow delays on Wednesday might be advised to book on flights into the likes of Cardiff, Blackpool, Norwich, Humberside or DTV - if necessary by connecting in Amsterdam. Their eventual journey may be further, but take less time.
Just an idea....
Just an idea....
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leave it out.Gordon Broooon never moved a muscle unless it achieved his idea of re distribution, most of which involved taking money from wealth creators and employing another 750,000 public sector workers, the majority of which, however well intended are not creators of wealth,diversity officers to ensure that the correct number of social minorities are employed irrespective of their ability to do the job
You and that clown Ed Balls would get on well!!! why not just take all the unemployed and put them on the public sector payroll? think of all the tax that they would pay? zero unemployment no unemployment benefit to pay, I'm sure we could find something useful for them not to do, even if its just going on strike
You and that clown Ed Balls would get on well!!! why not just take all the unemployed and put them on the public sector payroll? think of all the tax that they would pay? zero unemployment no unemployment benefit to pay, I'm sure we could find something useful for them not to do, even if its just going on strike
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We would be much wealthier had we not had to lend £1.162 trillion to the banks...and some of your views on public sector recruitment are out dated to say the least...but then as ever things are never that simple or clear cut and people see what they want to see...
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FR - the same applies to you if you think the public sector is getting more then move on in I am sure you would not be there long
ajamieson - I see you have jumped on the 'race to the bottom' band wagon because your terms and conditions were eroded those in the pubic sector must also suffer, as I already stated some of the lowest paid in society shoudl not suffer a economic crises they did not create.
acbus1 - No I wont be on strike as if you had bothered to read my post I dont work in the public sector but have spent the last 20+ years in the airline industry. However that does not mean I have to be selfish and not support public servants who provide a vital role. After all if they were not so vital we would not be all getting in a flap about Wednesday would we?
Facelookbovvered - as far as I am concerned no one is taking a days unpaid holiday in the public sector - they are taking part in a strike which in a democracy they are quite entitled to. I also know of plenty of people in the private sector that I have been unable to dismiss because of poor performance or sickness. Regardless of which sector your work in we are all bound by the same employment law and the dismissal process is the same in both sectors. Their is no special treatment for poor performance in the public sector unless you read the popular press, oh it must be correct then.
ajamieson - I see you have jumped on the 'race to the bottom' band wagon because your terms and conditions were eroded those in the pubic sector must also suffer, as I already stated some of the lowest paid in society shoudl not suffer a economic crises they did not create.
acbus1 - No I wont be on strike as if you had bothered to read my post I dont work in the public sector but have spent the last 20+ years in the airline industry. However that does not mean I have to be selfish and not support public servants who provide a vital role. After all if they were not so vital we would not be all getting in a flap about Wednesday would we?
Facelookbovvered - as far as I am concerned no one is taking a days unpaid holiday in the public sector - they are taking part in a strike which in a democracy they are quite entitled to. I also know of plenty of people in the private sector that I have been unable to dismiss because of poor performance or sickness. Regardless of which sector your work in we are all bound by the same employment law and the dismissal process is the same in both sectors. Their is no special treatment for poor performance in the public sector unless you read the popular press, oh it must be correct then.
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