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I would support FR in BFS if they came along with new routes, if they just copy EZY's flights I think that it would be a negative thing to invite them in.
Honestly I believe that expansion will come from EZY.. with increases in frequencies to a majority of their domestic destinations and the fact that ACE, LPA and TFS are now all up for grabs for a scheduled year service (As LS's frequencies are still low compared to what has been offered in previous years). It would be my guess for a 6th aircraft this winter and possibly more based for summer 2013. After all the MAD base is closing, which frees up aircraft.
Honestly I believe that expansion will come from EZY.. with increases in frequencies to a majority of their domestic destinations and the fact that ACE, LPA and TFS are now all up for grabs for a scheduled year service (As LS's frequencies are still low compared to what has been offered in previous years). It would be my guess for a 6th aircraft this winter and possibly more based for summer 2013. After all the MAD base is closing, which frees up aircraft.
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BFS are in talks with an airline previously mentioned not long ago on here (not FR), I'm not saying who as Mr Ambrose would probably offer them free popcorn or something to come down to BHD.
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Would Ryanair step into Tenerife and Lanzarote Island routes vacated by AerLingus say on 4 a week to BFS. Or routes to BFS from any Canary Island bases that they have?
Might be a typical FR move in terms of moving in on AerLingus turf. ? Wont be AerLingus turf for long but in my view if FR were ever to come in, this is the opening.
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Might be a typical FR move in terms of moving in on AerLingus turf. ? Wont be AerLingus turf for long but in my view if FR were ever to come in, this is the opening.
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I see we are being fed more of the same s**t re Ei's move to Bhd. We are going after the business pax, higher yield etc. Has Bhd a ready made statement for all their captures from Bfs to use? Do you ever notice there is never any evidence produced with these sweeping statement? Why can they not be honest for a change, they were sold the Mr BA line about how BHD is a pot of gold, add to that we will buy your business. Are there no business pax out of Bfs? I am one for a start. It also seems that as long as the good folk around Belfast have a great service to Lhr, the rest don't matter. So if you live in the North West of the province, tough luck, not interested in you. I wonder where EI are going to find enough pax to make a success of the LGW service? At the end of the day, there is not enough pax for all these services. Those that use Bfs-Lgw now will probably continue to do so. Do they expect all of the Flybe pax to desert in favour of Ei? Probably not. Here is a great example of a very bad business decision made after some great marketing by BA and based purely on fees. I listened to the interview by EI on Radio Ulster, what a load of rubbish.
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Sorry to see them go. I always liked them and they were certainly my airline of choice to LHR and most definitely to the US .
Glad to see that EZY and Jet2 picking up some slack HOWEVER serious questions must now be asked over the way the business is being run. There is a dreadful feeling of "all eggs in one basket". EZY now have BIAL over a barrel .
You have to ask what the charging regime is at BIAL? BHD apparently return a profit of pennies but remain an aggressive force .Are they taking the RYR approach and letting their profit flow from car park /shop/lounge fees and other ancillary income streams? .
Do the Spanish owners need to sit and have a think about where they are going?
If BIAL continually feeds carriers to the competitor down the road without any replacements....then they will be caught in a spiral of decreasing returns with Spain demanding higher (or at least increasing with inflation and therefore STATIC) profits. That is a recipe for disaster. It is time to grasp the nettle and reclaim the commercial advantage.
On an aside with the exception of Manx2 EVERY airline that has been poached to the harbour has disappeared.
As I said I LIKED Aer Lingus
Glad to see that EZY and Jet2 picking up some slack HOWEVER serious questions must now be asked over the way the business is being run. There is a dreadful feeling of "all eggs in one basket". EZY now have BIAL over a barrel .
You have to ask what the charging regime is at BIAL? BHD apparently return a profit of pennies but remain an aggressive force .Are they taking the RYR approach and letting their profit flow from car park /shop/lounge fees and other ancillary income streams? .
Do the Spanish owners need to sit and have a think about where they are going?
If BIAL continually feeds carriers to the competitor down the road without any replacements....then they will be caught in a spiral of decreasing returns with Spain demanding higher (or at least increasing with inflation and therefore STATIC) profits. That is a recipe for disaster. It is time to grasp the nettle and reclaim the commercial advantage.
On an aside with the exception of Manx2 EVERY airline that has been poached to the harbour has disappeared.
As I said I LIKED Aer Lingus
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BFS are in talks with an airline previously mentioned not long ago on here (not FR), I'm not saying who as Mr Ambrose would probably offer them free popcorn or something to come down to BHD.
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Although they couldn't operate from BHD, I take it that was a lil tongue n cheek, could the airline previously mentioned on here talking to BFS be for a Canadian or Middle Eastern route???
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Sorry to see them go. I always liked them and they were certainly my airline of choice to LHR and most definitely to the US .
Glad to see that EZY and Jet2 picking up some slack HOWEVER serious questions must now be asked over the way the business is being run. There is a dreadful feeling of "all eggs in one basket". EZY now have BIAL over a barrel .
Glad to see that EZY and Jet2 picking up some slack HOWEVER serious questions must now be asked over the way the business is being run. There is a dreadful feeling of "all eggs in one basket". EZY now have BIAL over a barrel .
You have to ask what the charging regime is at BIAL? BHD apparently return a profit of pennies but remain an aggressive force .Are they taking the RYR approach and letting their profit flow from car park /shop/lounge fees and other ancillary income streams?
Do the Spanish owners need to sit and have a think about where they are going?
If BIAL continually feeds carriers to the competitor down the road without any replacements....then they will be caught in a spiral of decreasing returns with Spain demanding higher (or at least increasing with inflation and therefore STATIC) profits. That is a recipe for disaster. It is time to grasp the nettle and reclaim the commercial advantage.
On an aside with the exception of Manx2 EVERY airline that has been poached to the harbour has disappeared.
As I said I LIKED Aer Lingus
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The loss of EI is probably because EZY already has BIA over a barrel. No matter what people on here say, there is no way BFS tried to match the Zero fees that the harbour offered, because they couldn't afford to give EZY the same.
With the increased EZY + LS flights, also the introduction of BHX + SEN) and with the 6th EZY base aircraft probably hanging around for winter, im beginning to think we might not see too much of a drop in numbers, as i estimate that the 2 EI aircraft if they had remained in BFS during the 5 months of the winter schedule (if full) would carry around 120,000 passengers, this is based on the A320 doing 3 LHR runs a day and the A319 doing the sun routes (2 per day).
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Yes I agree, when I heard the rumours of the same deal offered I found it hard to believe. BFS wants to make a profit and doesn't settle for anything that doesn't make good business sense.. hence why they have yet to agree to FR coming in.. as they wanted subsidised (will that change?). I dont think BHD went as low as zero fee's, I believe, well from what I have heard they went for £1 per passenger in landing fee's, again this could be nonsense.
Of course that is not to mention the like of office space/crew room/engineering housing rentals which might also come into the equation if they are part of the deal.
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With the increased EZY + LS flights, also the introduction of BHX + SEN) and with the 6th EZY base aircraft probably hanging around for winter, im beginning to think we might not see too much of a drop in numbers, as i estimate that the 2 EI aircraft if they had remained in BFS during the 5 months of the winter schedule (if full) would carry around 120,000 passengers, this is based on the A320 doing 3 LHR runs a day and the A319 doing the sun routes (2 per day).
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if BFS stalled on offering EI a new deal long enough to finalise with Easy/Jet2 and effectively force EI out the door.
The only real loss is the Heathrow and I don't think the onward travel is as big a factor for BFS travellers as for those from the BHD.
Interesting to see how it pans out
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Going by the statement put out by BIA management, I really doubt they were happy to just stand by and watch Aer Lingus go out the door as you describe. They were clearly p***ed off at Aer Lingus leaving and in their eyes, giving no valid reason for doing so. If you read their statement, they didn't even have any contact with Aer Lingus prior to them announcing their intention to switch airports. So if you believe what they say, Aer Lingus didn't even look for a better deal from BIA which, if true, seems bizarre.
Going by the statement put out by BIA management, I really doubt they were happy to just stand by and watch Aer Lingus go out the door as you describe. They were clearly p***ed off at Aer Lingus leaving and in their eyes, giving no valid reason for doing so. If you read their statement, they didn't even have any contact with Aer Lingus prior to them announcing their intention to switch airports. So if you believe what they say, Aer Lingus didn't even look for a better deal from BIA which, if true, seems bizarre.
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Quote: "Even if EI started a STN instead of the LGW might be a better idea ? "
For pax going where exactly? For all but a small part of London and for most of the south, LGW and LHR are better, and those with onward connections need to be going to LHR. STN is handy only for a small part of London, Essex and East Anglia, and even for some of those, SEN would be more convenient!
For pax going where exactly? For all but a small part of London and for most of the south, LGW and LHR are better, and those with onward connections need to be going to LHR. STN is handy only for a small part of London, Essex and East Anglia, and even for some of those, SEN would be more convenient!
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Going by the statement put out by BIA management, I really doubt they were happy to just stand by and watch Aer Lingus go out the door as you describe. They were clearly p***ed off at Aer Lingus leaving and in their eyes, giving no valid reason for doing so. If you read their statement, they didn't even have any contact with Aer Lingus prior to them announcing their intention to switch airports. So if you believe what they say, Aer Lingus didn't even look for a better deal from BIA which, if true, seems bizarre.
Going by the statement put out by BIA management, I really doubt they were happy to just stand by and watch Aer Lingus go out the door as you describe. They were clearly p***ed off at Aer Lingus leaving and in their eyes, giving no valid reason for doing so. If you read their statement, they didn't even have any contact with Aer Lingus prior to them announcing their intention to switch airports. So if you believe what they say, Aer Lingus didn't even look for a better deal from BIA which, if true, seems bizarre.
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Even if EI started a STN instead of the LGW might be a better
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Apart from the fact that EI doesn't already fly to STN (which is not a big issue), if they started BHD STN, FR would be back in like a shot, so EI would be trying to get onto routes where they are less likely to have FR competition, and where they can offer a point of difference i.e. connections.
LGW will be hotly contested, Flybe will maintain a decent share of its existing traffic for reasons such as it is well established on the routes, people are used to booking with them and it will take a while for most to realise EI are operating the route. Flybe have extensive codesharing and interlining arrangements and high frequency. They will fight the fight as not to will be invitation for EI and EIR into BHD one of BE's biggest bases.
I would suggest that BHD LGW will grow about 5k-7k passengers per month, with half of those coming from BFS LGW, somewhat like what happened to EZY numbers on STN BFS when FR hit the market (who were carrying up to 30k pax per month quite soon on STN BHD).
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The AerLingus description of Belfast BFS is 'Belfast All Airports' which is highly misleading as when you choose Belfast All Airports (and you would be led to believe you will see a choice of all destinations), London Gatwick is not on the drop down. Hardly a major issue but could be more robust. Ideally like easyJet used to do, you could choose from Belfast All Airports, Belfast International and Belfast City Airports. And list the relevent destinations under each airport and ALL airports under Belfast All Airports.
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Flight Radar was showing a Monarch flight this morning from SFB to BFS (flight no MON326p) was operated by Pullmantur Air and was a 747. Is this correct?? Really disappointed I missed it if true!