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Aye, sure why not just stop trying. Or even maybe we should just close the airport and not bother anymore.
Tosh.
You think DUB has developed all those routes because the airlines are making super money? or was it because they have been incentivised by various parties in the startup/maintenance of routes?
Just because a big business is well established, doesn't mean other businesses can't try to come up as well.
The negativity of this place baffles me.
Tosh.
You think DUB has developed all those routes because the airlines are making super money? or was it because they have been incentivised by various parties in the startup/maintenance of routes?
Just because a big business is well established, doesn't mean other businesses can't try to come up as well.
The negativity of this place baffles me.
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Its negative because its people who aren't even from Northern Ireland.
And I believe it was quoted that Dublin has 500,000 passengers on transatlantic flights from NI. One problem is no one knows about the routes and another is they don't try.
Like what is the point in Virgin Atlantic flying 4 days in July. Its a waste of time.. The price is a rip off aswell. Anywonder people goto Dublin. And Northern Ireland is not underpopulated, we have 1.9 million people and a population density placed 8th in the United States.
It is England that is overpopulated.
And I believe it was quoted that Dublin has 500,000 passengers on transatlantic flights from NI. One problem is no one knows about the routes and another is they don't try.
Like what is the point in Virgin Atlantic flying 4 days in July. Its a waste of time.. The price is a rip off aswell. Anywonder people goto Dublin. And Northern Ireland is not underpopulated, we have 1.9 million people and a population density placed 8th in the United States.
It is England that is overpopulated.
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That's exactly how VS started GLA ops and now they're three B744s in summer each week....
They're *very* pricey out of GLA as they're priced as high as the market will bear, aimed at parents with kids looking to fly in school holidays and fly non stop.
They're *very* pricey out of GLA as they're priced as high as the market will bear, aimed at parents with kids looking to fly in school holidays and fly non stop.
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Full speed ahead for busy 2015
Another airport blog out confirms easyJets new routes that are planned, a Canada route and Turkish Airways starting in 2016!!
Full speed ahead for busy 2015 - Belfast International Airport
It’s back to normal!
The Christmas and New Year passenger rush is over, and it’s full speed ahead for 2015!
We have new services commencing this year, notably Jet2 with four new destinations, Virgin Atlantic to Florida and new arrival, Wizz Air.
We’re quietly confident that easyJet will expand into new European destinations, so watch this space. There’s a strong likelihood that the International will add up to ten new routes during what is set to be a busy 12-month period.
As we prepare for a return to growth, work will continue on a range of improvements throughout the Terminal.
We have our sights set on much, much more. Work will continue to re-establish a Canadian service and 2015 will see all the preparation for the planned start of a direct Turkish Airlines Belfast-Istanbul service next year.
Airlines have expansion back on their agendas, and our mission is to ensure that the International and Northern Ireland are on their wish-lists.
So, in a tangible sense, what’s good for the International is good for the wider economy. Only the International is capable of delivering the type of long-haul international growth that this region requires, but it has to have support from the Assembly and Executive if it’s to succeed.
In short, what we want is a scheme or programme that boosts this sector and provides practical start-up financial assistance to airlines. We do it for inward investment projects and this sector is no different.
This business never rests on its laurels. We’ve hit the ground running, and that’s the pace we will maintain for the rest of 2015.
We will continue to campaign for the devolution of Air Passenger Duty (APD). APD will not apply to under-12s this year, and u-16s from next year, but it’s still a barrier to growth and a disadvantage we have to contend with when Dublin has sensibly jettisoned the tax.
We’ll do our bit but others will have to make their contribution if we’re to realise our full potential as a region.
Graham Keddie
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The Christmas and New Year passenger rush is over, and it’s full speed ahead for 2015!
We have new services commencing this year, notably Jet2 with four new destinations, Virgin Atlantic to Florida and new arrival, Wizz Air.
We’re quietly confident that easyJet will expand into new European destinations, so watch this space. There’s a strong likelihood that the International will add up to ten new routes during what is set to be a busy 12-month period.
As we prepare for a return to growth, work will continue on a range of improvements throughout the Terminal.
We have our sights set on much, much more. Work will continue to re-establish a Canadian service and 2015 will see all the preparation for the planned start of a direct Turkish Airlines Belfast-Istanbul service next year.
Airlines have expansion back on their agendas, and our mission is to ensure that the International and Northern Ireland are on their wish-lists.
So, in a tangible sense, what’s good for the International is good for the wider economy. Only the International is capable of delivering the type of long-haul international growth that this region requires, but it has to have support from the Assembly and Executive if it’s to succeed.
In short, what we want is a scheme or programme that boosts this sector and provides practical start-up financial assistance to airlines. We do it for inward investment projects and this sector is no different.
This business never rests on its laurels. We’ve hit the ground running, and that’s the pace we will maintain for the rest of 2015.
We will continue to campaign for the devolution of Air Passenger Duty (APD). APD will not apply to under-12s this year, and u-16s from next year, but it’s still a barrier to growth and a disadvantage we have to contend with when Dublin has sensibly jettisoned the tax.
We’ll do our bit but others will have to make their contribution if we’re to realise our full potential as a region.
Graham Keddie
Managing Director
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I'll see it when I see it. 10 new routes and Canada.
YAH right. How many times have we been told about Canada now.
And lets get us a proper airline i.e. Air Canada, none of this charter nonsense.
YAH right. How many times have we been told about Canada now.
And lets get us a proper airline i.e. Air Canada, none of this charter nonsense.
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Canada will be a huge challenge, it's been a while since YYZ was offered from BFS and both Aer Lingus and Air Canada Rouge have launched DUB-YYZ so overall capacity is massively up. In that scenario, BFS seems less likely.
Note : DUB does not get "real" mainline Air Canada so forget BFS, any port in a storm Owen!
Note : DUB does not get "real" mainline Air Canada so forget BFS, any port in a storm Owen!
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I don't really see the KLM as a miss for BFS - as a destination AMS is already served albeit the demand clearly isn't there in the quieter times of the year for a daily service. The 'loser' here will be BA as I suspect KLM are more interested in luring connecting long haul passengers away from LHR. It will be interesting to see how their fares stack up against the low cost operators on the single sector and against BA on sector+connecting flights. The Euro vs GBP rate may make a connection through Schipol very attractive.
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Ok well um whatever happens i would prefer a proper scheduled service and not a charter 2 flights a summer service as that is a waste.
Anyway 3 planes have diverted into Belfast and another is coming in now.
Anyway 3 planes have diverted into Belfast and another is coming in now.
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Speed restriction,
No being in the defence of BFS, but you will find a daily service is very much in demand all year round ex BFS. But I agree KLM much better suited to BHD and they'll do well there.
No being in the defence of BFS, but you will find a daily service is very much in demand all year round ex BFS. But I agree KLM much better suited to BHD and they'll do well there.
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There is no doubt a certain level of demand for a daily but obviously not enough to justify one on a 150+ seat aircraft in the depths of February for a company who is selling the seat on a point to point basis. It may be the case that KLM will be able to justify the cost of a daily year round by propping up yield through the sale of business fares along with making a profit from passengers with onward long haul connections.
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speedrestriction,
There is no doubt a certain level of demand for a daily but obviously not
enough to justify one on a 150+ seat aircraft in the depths of February for a
company who is selling the seat on a point to point basis. It may be the case
that KLM will be able to justify the cost of a daily year round by propping up
yield through the sale of business fares along with making a profit from
passengers with onward long haul connections.
The route does very well all year round, there is in every market a dip in demand in the low winter months, especially mid week. Belfast Amsterdam is no different. As a result of not offering connecting traffic inevitably easyJet do not get such business. The lack of other services from Europe and that area in particular sees a wide area of Benelux and Germany using AMS to Belfast BFS.
The same comment could be said of all routes - i.e. that the Winter does not sustain the usual level of passengers.
BFS AMS carries an average of 8313 pax per month (as per CAA stats available for the most recent months for 1 year). Jan last did 5665 (68% of average - almost 60% LF) and Feb did 63% LF on 6071 pax. worth nothing that some months had more than 7 flights per week. So all in all well worth operating in Winter months.
I suspect easyJet will step up frequency to keep the heat on competiton for point to point traffic.
EI-BUD
There is no doubt a certain level of demand for a daily but obviously not
enough to justify one on a 150+ seat aircraft in the depths of February for a
company who is selling the seat on a point to point basis. It may be the case
that KLM will be able to justify the cost of a daily year round by propping up
yield through the sale of business fares along with making a profit from
passengers with onward long haul connections.
The same comment could be said of all routes - i.e. that the Winter does not sustain the usual level of passengers.
BFS AMS carries an average of 8313 pax per month (as per CAA stats available for the most recent months for 1 year). Jan last did 5665 (68% of average - almost 60% LF) and Feb did 63% LF on 6071 pax. worth nothing that some months had more than 7 flights per week. So all in all well worth operating in Winter months.
I suspect easyJet will step up frequency to keep the heat on competiton for point to point traffic.
EI-BUD
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Hi EI-BUD,
I agree with what you have said; from the point of view of yield management, the fact that there is competition alters the economics of the route. The current strategy of operating fewer days in the winter weeks won't work to boost LF for the operating days any more. Looking ahead to the summer the two operators are within a whisker of eachother on price. It will be interesting to see how the fares compare as the aircraft fill up closer to the time.
I agree with what you have said; from the point of view of yield management, the fact that there is competition alters the economics of the route. The current strategy of operating fewer days in the winter weeks won't work to boost LF for the operating days any more. Looking ahead to the summer the two operators are within a whisker of eachother on price. It will be interesting to see how the fares compare as the aircraft fill up closer to the time.
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I suspect that KLM and EZY despite borh going to AMS are pitching at different markets. KLM are offering a TWO class full service. The only airline that is operating business class cabin to AMS from both BHD and DUB. I would suggest a half full C class cabin with nice C class onwards probably pays for the entire flight.