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Don't forget Gazmo although there will be 4x BE missing from the market EI appeared from cold with 3x and at one point 4x daily on top of BE, EI having larger a/c as well so we are kinda back where we were when BE go. I agree STN has room for more, LTN too as both these have been curtailed.
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Hi Mart901
Yes agree with EI on the LGW market more pax appear to be using this route. initially EZY had a drop in numbers but have appeared to have pulled these back on the LON routes
LHR is the route that seems to have lost out. Since November when EI moved the LHR route to BHD there has been a drop on pax on the LHR route (compared to previous year, both BHD and BFS combined) each month, except December (will stand corrected if wrong)
Yes agree with EI on the LGW market more pax appear to be using this route. initially EZY had a drop in numbers but have appeared to have pulled these back on the LON routes
LHR is the route that seems to have lost out. Since November when EI moved the LHR route to BHD there has been a drop on pax on the LHR route (compared to previous year, both BHD and BFS combined) each month, except December (will stand corrected if wrong)
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Agree to an extent with your views, yes BHD to LGW 42K pax but that is with
seven flights per day (assuming weekdays) compare to EZY five.
I think EI
will go to four daily to LGW from BHD but that still leaves a sizeable gap,
since no SEN and the four daily BE to LGW.
Not heard nothing about a BFS JER, I was referring to LGW JER.
Interestingly, in terms of seats on the LGW Belfast flights;
The 5 daily ex BFS and the 7 daily ex BHD amount to quite similar capacity
BFS LGW 5 daily x 156 = 780 (and some can be 320)
BHD LGW 7 daily, 3*144 + 4*118= 904
In terms of EI going to x4 daily, they had designs on that last Spring, so quite conceiveable they would go for that again. However, pre EI on BHD LGW, BE has x5 daily x 118 =590 seats and were achieving about 20K pax per month and worth nothing that they were growing their numbers consistently even as EI/FR/WX came and went the market. So 4 daily EI sounds about right.
Quite conceivable that STN could get an extra daily rotation and LGW too, again I wouldnt rule out BHD LGW. We shall see. It depends on EZYs view on EI competiton in the BFS market. However, EZY stepping on EI on the BHD LGW would probably result in EI pulling the route and transferring the aircraft to other European routes e.g. ALC and the like, which will challenge EZY on a different route.
On a different note, we shall sit tight and see how BA use their T1 DUB and BHD slots of 8 and 7 respectively when the new long haul aircraft arriving at a rate of 2 a month materialise. The overall London market seems a bit fluid again, with movers and shakers!!
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Mart901,
Also notice EI scheduling in A320 from next summer, that's an extra 90 seats
in each direction daily.
This is good news. The 319s seem appropriate to many Dublin routes and in recent weeks I noted 319 on many routes, e.g. Dublin/Amsterdam, Dublin/Stuttgart, Dublin/Stockholm, Dublin/Manchester and Dublin/Birmingham, so EI will be happy to make the swap.
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Also notice EI scheduling in A320 from next summer, that's an extra 90 seats
in each direction daily.
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Interesting comments guys
With EI using A320 maybe they might stick to the three daily with good yields and LF rather than going for the four daily
EI-BUD - I think ALC is well served by LS and EZY. LS over the past few years have increased ALC rather than nearby Murcia. EI in the past have tried numerous routes from BFS with limited success apart from FAO and AGP.
EI have competed on CDG, AMS etc with EZY and withdrew
Lets wait and see
With EI using A320 maybe they might stick to the three daily with good yields and LF rather than going for the four daily
EI-BUD - I think ALC is well served by LS and EZY. LS over the past few years have increased ALC rather than nearby Murcia. EI in the past have tried numerous routes from BFS with limited success apart from FAO and AGP.
EI have competed on CDG, AMS etc with EZY and withdrew
Lets wait and see
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You are correct about EI trying many routes and not succeeding in the past. However, I would argue two points, firstly in terms of ALC it did well. I cannot confirm the yield as most others cannot, but I would suggest if LGW had not materialised, ALC would still be operating. keeping the successful AGP and FAO at daily would have meant a 4th ac needed. In any case all hypotetical as PMI was brought on etc. etc. and not ALC restored. I would be hopeful that 2014 would see another European route.
Second point, EI launched a raft of European routes from day 1 and they had the odds stacked against them. Firstly, EZY themselves only have a small number of Winter Euro routes, and the market is extremely seasonal. FR entered the market and had widespread £1 each way seats to STN and 30k pax per month were flying, which likely attracted many city break flyers to London rather than Europe. Add to this the hardest Winter economically we had seen for some time. Airlines reported a most difficult trading period that Winter...
Many of those routes were launched at the wrong time (easy to look back and appraise the situation I guess), however, many could work now with 144 seats, on appropriate frequency. CDG was a disaster as when EI launched it so too did BE a daily E195, so the capacity trippled on the route over night and EZY had a tough summer on that flight too....
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You are correct about EI trying many routes and not succeeding in the past. However, I would argue two points, firstly in terms of ALC it did well. I cannot confirm the yield as most others cannot, but I would suggest if LGW had not materialised, ALC would still be operating. keeping the successful AGP and FAO at daily would have meant a 4th ac needed. In any case all hypotetical as PMI was brought on etc. etc. and not ALC restored. I would be hopeful that 2014 would see another European route.
Second point, EI launched a raft of European routes from day 1 and they had the odds stacked against them. Firstly, EZY themselves only have a small number of Winter Euro routes, and the market is extremely seasonal. FR entered the market and had widespread £1 each way seats to STN and 30k pax per month were flying, which likely attracted many city break flyers to London rather than Europe. Add to this the hardest Winter economically we had seen for some time. Airlines reported a most difficult trading period that Winter...
Many of those routes were launched at the wrong time (easy to look back and appraise the situation I guess), however, many could work now with 144 seats, on appropriate frequency. CDG was a disaster as when EI launched it so too did BE a daily E195, so the capacity trippled on the route over night and EZY had a tough summer on that flight too....
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I would almost go a bit further to say I think a lot of EI's wildfire euro city expansion from BFS/LGW was hinged on 2 things, fighting off take over and flexing muscle at trade unions - I.e. saying to investors look at us expanding outside of Ireland we don't need FR and to the unions the threat of moving operations out of DUB. I think its possible they intended to chuck some money at these causes and expected losses. And then look, some years on they've settled into what's profitable, sunshine and London. Who's saying that wasn't always the master plan.
I would almost go a bit further to say I think a lot of EI's wildfire euro city expansion from BFS/LGW was hinged on 2 things, fighting off take over and flexing muscle at trade unions - I.e. saying to investors look at us expanding outside of Ireland we don't need FR and to the unions the threat of moving operations out of DUB. I think its possible they intended to chuck some money at these causes and expected losses. And then look, some years on they've settled into what's profitable, sunshine and London. Who's saying that wasn't always the master plan.
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Just a comment on the A320 being scheduled out of BHD next summer to LGW, its not actually, flights are still capped at 144 pax. As EI-BUD said it will likely go 4 daily and that will be with 319's before any A320 appears on the route.
Also the comments about ALC, I have a feeling it may replace PMI next year for a number of reasons.
Also the comments about ALC, I have a feeling it may replace PMI next year for a number of reasons.
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hi EI-330-300,
Thanks for that. I think you are right, I'd say ALC has much longer run over the summer season, starting early and lasting longer... PMI very seasonal.
The 319 based at BHD did the following pattern each day this summer and the timetable looks similar for next year:
BHD-LGW-BHD-LGW-NOC-LGW-BHD, and I cant see a 320 appearing on LGW NOC, so would surprise me if 320 appeared.....
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Thanks for that. I think you are right, I'd say ALC has much longer run over the summer season, starting early and lasting longer... PMI very seasonal.
The 319 based at BHD did the following pattern each day this summer and the timetable looks similar for next year:
BHD-LGW-BHD-LGW-NOC-LGW-BHD, and I cant see a 320 appearing on LGW NOC, so would surprise me if 320 appeared.....
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Hi Guys
We must have not else better to do on a Saturday night than post comments here.
However very valid and interesting views / comments
Monday should be an interesting day for EZY comments
We must have not else better to do on a Saturday night than post comments here.
However very valid and interesting views / comments
Monday should be an interesting day for EZY comments
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Belfast to Jersey was previously on sale with Jet2 for next summer so I am surprised it has been dropped.
EZY did say last week that it would look to launch further routes from Jersey so there might be a possibility of a Belfast service. It would be an obvious fit.
EZY did say last week that it would look to launch further routes from Jersey so there might be a possibility of a Belfast service. It would be an obvious fit.
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