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Old 22nd Sep 2015, 19:27
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Or just operate a 738 to EWR with fuel stops in KEF, no big deal for only a dozen flights in total per year.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 15:42
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Or maybe their business plan might be different by then and they decide to no longer operate the Newark flights?
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 17:31
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I have been taking a look at Jet 2 flights for Summer 2016 (based on early August peak) and comparing what's on offer for Summer 2016 compared to the same period last year.


I know that it's still early, and there is still time for a lot to change, but currently, after a cut back in flights last year when compared to 2014, it looks like a growth of around 10% for Summer 2016.


Summer 2015 saw a total of 625 x weekly flights (was originally 629 x weekly but only 2 of the 6 planned flights to Enfidha were replaced with an alternative) Summer 2016 is currently planned at 696 x weekly services.


There are 20 new routes (12 of these from the expanded base at Edinburgh Airport) with 2 new destinations (Gerona and Naples) There are 7 dropped routes (12 in total if you count the services to Enfidha which operated from 5 bases, these were originally planned but had been dropped by August)


The biggest gains in weekly flights look to be Alicante (+16 x weekly) Palma (+ 8 weekly) Faro (+ 7 x weekly) and Tenerife South (+ 7 weekly) with most of the Greek routes also seeing growth.


The biggest loser is Murcia, which is 15 flights per week down (routes from East Midlands, Edinburgh and Glasgow are dropped, with frequency reductions on the remaining routes)


In terms of UK bases, Manchester shows an extra 25 x weekly services, with Edinburgh (not surprisingly) showing 21 extra flights and Newcastle showing an extra 11 x weekly services. Services from the other bases are remaining stable (increases of between 1 and 5 x weekly services)


As I have said above, I know that there is still time for change. I do not know what Jet 2's history is like when comparing first releases with what actually operates, I guess it depends on early bookings, but hopefully most if not all of the potential growth will happen !!!
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 22:28
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Good few ex MH 77E's just came on the market... Could be quite a good cheap option for LS for cattle runs down to the Canaries and Balearics
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 22:32
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Are you drunk?
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 22:48
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Not that I know of...

Out of the box but if they can get them cheap... Not much different to training some crew up on an A330 as rumours have suggested.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 22:55
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A full economy 772 is well over 400 seats, how on earth are they supposed to fill all those seats outside the high peak summer demand? It's just as rubbish as those so called A330 rumours.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 00:57
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Keep it in MH config and re-upholster the A/C, sell the J seats for an extra 50-100 a pop and you have a 280-odd seater with PTV's, more capacity but easier to fill for a lot of the year

Not gonna happen but a nice idea I think
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 10:38
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Keep it in MH config and re-upholster the A/C, sell the J seats for an extra 50-100 a pop and you have a 280-odd seater with PTV's, more capacity but easier to fill for a lot of the year

Not gonna happen but a nice idea I think
That's barely half a dozen more seats than BA's 3 class configuration.

Too big
Too heavy
Too costly

Pure folly.

I agree with BasilFawlty; keep off the juice.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 10:55
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Whilst on the subject of ETOPS, what are Jet2 going to do to keep on seasonal USA flights, after the departure of the 752?
It's an almost insignificant % of their overall operation, essentially shopping trips operated seasonally. Commercially it should be possible to fill any gap in the program with something else, it's not as if the company has a need to operated "prestige" routes, even though it's no longer seen as prestigious market tbh.
As to operating B777s, well European tried operating ex BA B747-236Bs and that didn't work out especially well alas. Too much aeroplane to fill with substantial engineering and training costs associated with a fleet that wouldn't be flown all that often I suspect.

Flew one last month mind, was quite surreal on the flight out of AMS watching the map as we flew past Ukraine.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 15:18
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It's a pity we haven't got the Winter business to fill a big a/c. Looks like the MH sale might offer some bargains. Shame that it is a result of such tragic events.

http://leehamnews.com/2015/04/30/malaysia-air-fleet-restructuring/
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 16:22
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I'm sure MAN could fill them on some routes in the winter... But another benefit if they were 100% owned is they just park them up for the winter...
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 18:00
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I wish this forum would go back to proper discussion based on likely rumours , not a spotters dream
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 22:41
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I'm sure MAN could fill them on some routes in the winter... But another benefit if they were 100% owned is they just park them up for the winter...
Some weekdays in winters past, Jet2 have operated ZERO flights out of MAN, yet you want to burden them with massive 300 seater twins as well as their recent order for brand new B737-800s..?
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 01:32
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Just out of interest, how much more would it cost to operate a B772 from MAN to TFS with 189 PAX than a B738? Same route, prevision and baggage.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 14:02
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Just to try and dampen the w**k fantasy 777 story a little further with some hypothetical maths.........
To park a 777-200ER at Manchester for 24 hours over the winter would cost 357 (makes NCP look cheap doesn't it!)
So, lets be positive and assume you can actually find somewhere to operate it semi-profitably over the weekends. On Saturday morning, the plane owes you 1785 in weekday parking fees before the first passenger boards (or 6 per passenger in your suggested layout).
Operating at low yields over the winter period, that 6 could actually be the airlines net operating margin per ticket before tax................
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 18:42
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I appreciate the numbers provided in your reply, thank you very much, however you neglected to include the thousands of extra pounds it has the potential to rake in over the summer months and the fact that from somewhere like MAN they can probably find somewhere capable of supporting a 280 seater at least every day even in the winter. TFS, ALC, PMI

In 5 years time parking the 777's would be much cheaper than parking their brand new 737's (if they're still paying them off)
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 19:16
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Can't think of any regular "sun and sand" flights in Europe (and no, Russia doesn't count...) using the 777 - there might be a reason for that.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 19:53
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Wouldn't take jig time to rip out those lovely comfy seats up front and replace with ten rows of Y. That's EXS style.

http://www.seatplans.com/assets/Airlines/malaysia-airlines/seatplans/Malaysia_B777-2000-1.jpg
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 23:02
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This site was once a serious forum.

I despair.
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