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Old 12th Nov 2015, 15:44
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This is one of the annoyed customers. I have flown Flybe to Faro and/or Palma for the past 8 years. Every flight has been between 80 and 100 percent payload. The only reason I can see for dropping theses routes is that Flybe don't want to be n the 'seasonal' business. Ah well, back to BA. I did think about Volotea but they only fly until the middle of 1st week in September.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 17:03
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Surely with the potential for good load factors the airport management team should be able to attract potential airlines for the Sun routes?
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 19:19
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Not quite so easy, any potential carrier must have the aircraft that can operate economically off the very restricted runway at SOU (have given up on the airport operator ever doing something with the runway to extend its declared distances). Might be a few lean years before the Airbus Neos or Bombardier C Series come on line.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 19:29
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How quickly people forget the Iberworld A320's that successfully did a few seasons on the Palma route. Volotea could use their 717's, and I am sure that A319's can cope adequately.
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Old 12th Nov 2015, 19:41
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What is stopping the proposed 450 feet runway extension for 20,first voiced in 2014?
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 05:35
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runway extension.

what stops any airport extension is cost. to do any runway extension, airports like commitments from airlines to use aircraft that require longer lengths. if no commitment from airlines then runway lengths stay as they are.to do any extension or new runways a lot of studies are done weather pax or airlines.
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 07:01
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My post #763 explains. Technically feasible, but will the investment ever be forthcoming?
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 08:34
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You mention the Iberoworld 320's that previously operated from Southampton, you are aware that they have changed the name of the airline to EVOLOPE AIRLINES and they will be operating from SOU to Palma every Friday during the summer season of 2016 on behalf of Thomas Cook.

Both Thomas Cook and Thomson have an allocated amount of seats on the sun routes from Southampton what will happen here if customers have already booked those flights with the respective tour operators.

In the past not only did SOU have A320's from Iberoworld but also from Spanair along with 737's from Air Europa, Air Malta, Futura and Thomson as well as 757's with the latter.

SOU has its limitations regarding runway performance and suitable stand availability but as it has shown in the past it's doable, hopefully we might see some more route announcements from Volotea to fill the gaps as the passenger demand is definitely there for the sun routes and possibly more additional destinations.

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Old 13th Nov 2015, 10:36
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When you think of what Vueling have achieved at Cardiff - year round flights to the same Spanish destinations that BEE have abandoned at SOU, with frequency increases already announced for S16 - you would think this would have been ripe territory for them.

Such a pity that that kind of opportunity may not be possible at SOU due to the operational constraints?

RYR must be very happy with what this will mean for those same routes that they will no doubt fly out of BOH next year.
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Old 13th Nov 2015, 15:21
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Surely it would make sense to extend ry 20 before any airline committed itself,as this would act as an accentive to operators to use larger planes/longer routes .Airlines will not commit if they have payload restrictions due to runway length availability.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 22:21
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Some good news for SOU, Flybe's application to serve Lyon and Munich 12 weekly each (2x weekdays 1x weekend) has been approved for funding, so we will hopefully see these introduced in the near future. While Munich seems like a good bet, 12 weekly flights to Lyon looks like overkill, especially given that even Paris is only served 12 weekly now.
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 16:07
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CAA stats - Oct '15

Passengers down 1.9% on last year, with the rolling year up by 0.7%, so numbers will most likely be pretty flat by the year end. Most domestic routes were down, although it is likely that the increased frequencies on some over the winter may counter this a little.

Flybe's new service to Düsseldorf carried 397 passengers, meaning it carried 28 passengers on average and had a load factor of 36.3%. Not a fantastic start, hopefully last months numbers will show a sizeable improvement on that.

There is no data for how many passengers flew to Antwerp but 918 flew to Hamburg, so VLM achieved an average load of 21 passengers, for a 42% load factor. While it is still low loads are heading in the right direction, and looking at the fares they charge yield can't be too bad either.
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 17:04
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What is holding Southampton back?
Passenger numbers seem to be in decline for a while,but not long ago the airport was surging forward.
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 17:17
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The runway (RWY) !
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 18:07
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Some would say Flybe!!
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 23:18
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Cork Southampton just confirmed by Stobart Air for 2016. Operating 5 times weekly.
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 01:25
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Southampton Airport is a joke,toy runway,lack of decent stands for jets and finally Flybe.Many years ago before Flybe there were 737s,757s from different airlines,Now all you see is the boring Flybe Spindles.Great Shame!
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 01:36
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Flybe to expand at SOU when they close their BOH base in 2016, apparently...
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 07:51
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Great to see Cork returning. Always did well when it use to be served.
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 08:03
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Southampton Airport is a joke,toy runway,lack of decent stands for jets and finally Flybe.
Loving the negativity. I'll be paxing from SOU again later this week, and from a pax point of view if you are flying on one of the routes with a good service, and the flights are on time, I think it's hard to beat.

If you're taking a domestic flight for business (which I am) there aren't many airports where you can park-up outside, be into the Terminal and through security in 10 mins, and be in the car on the way home 10 mins after arrival on stand.

Yes, it has it's many operational constraints, but there are some aspects that are very good.

As for 73's and 75's, yes there were a few, but they have always been the exception rather than the rule at SOU due to the above.
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