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It looks like Thomas Cook won't be using any of their own flights next year, also seems that Ibiza and Menorca have been dropped although Faro is new. They are selling seats/holidays on Flybe flights to Palma/Verona/Faro. Hopefully Flybe will utilise the extra capacity they now have at the weekend.
If Flybe use capacity for Thomas Cook at Southampton, does that mean that routes to leisure centric summer only cities in regional France (eg Clermont Ferrand) are candidates for being dropped ? (even if the timetable says they will restart in June 2014)
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There is a bit of discussion on the BOH re Amsterdam but I can't find anything on this thread about flybe going four daily on Monday, Wednesday and Friday this winter? They are showing as all Q400's when I checked GDS.
I must admit I thought it was all week days but apparently not.
There seems to be two based 195's at times but not worked out what they do yet other than AGP and ALC on some days.
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I must admit I thought it was all week days but apparently not.
There seems to be two based 195's at times but not worked out what they do yet other than AGP and ALC on some days.
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Good news and certainly with the figures increasing each month this route seems to be going from strength to strength. Stats for June stand at 9,200 which is a 1000 more than last June. I do hope BE change their strategy on getting rid of the q400.
Had a look at CAA stats - Bordeaux managed 392 pax over 4 Saturdays or 49 pax per flight in middle of summer. Perhaps yields were stunning or a candidate for being chopped ?
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Flybe increased there services by adding an extra 12 flights a week from July to Sept
Flights to Palma , Alicante and Malaga are daily at the moment and Faro is a close behind with 6 flights a week at present
Obviously Flybe are really pushing the sale of these routes which at one point were being offered for less than £ 100 return not now though
I would also imagine this is the reason that Bournemouth saw a drop in this months passenger figures to the above destinations as Flybe go head to head with Ryanair , noticed as well they are going daily this winter to Geneva with Bournemouth operating 6 flights a week with Easy Jet
Flights to Palma , Alicante and Malaga are daily at the moment and Faro is a close behind with 6 flights a week at present
Obviously Flybe are really pushing the sale of these routes which at one point were being offered for less than £ 100 return not now though
I would also imagine this is the reason that Bournemouth saw a drop in this months passenger figures to the above destinations as Flybe go head to head with Ryanair , noticed as well they are going daily this winter to Geneva with Bournemouth operating 6 flights a week with Easy Jet
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Thanks Markeyd. It's a bit bullish of them in their current weak competitive situation. It seems as though they are really seeing good volumes. How are their load factors? Malaga from southampton grew 51% but it didnt take away from Bournemouth which grew 13%. Faro from Southampton grew 76% but also grew at Bournemouth although only by 1%. Where are Flybe getting the passengers? West London?
Will be an interesting Summer next year when we see if Flybe will add more on top of this. They need to defend Southampton strategically.
Will be an interesting Summer next year when we see if Flybe will add more on top of this. They need to defend Southampton strategically.
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Not great but also not a disaster. If its operated by the q400 which is more than likely then 49 out of 78 is like 62% full. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the q400 is such an economical piece of kit that the break even point is a lot lower than 62%. Even so lets be fair Sou has its fair share of other French routes to take up the slack if it is cancelled.
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Flybe are sticking their necks about a bit by adding capacity to their Spanish flights. They don't want to upset RYR at BOH. They must be pulling custom away from LGW/LHR rather than BOH, which is a good thing for Flybe/SOU and RYR at BOH.
SOU August traffic
Traffic in August up 11% YoY, and the calendar-year and rolling-year stats all now in positive territory:
http://mediacentre.heathrowairport.c...1770&SizeId=-1
Interesting to note that ATM's in August were still down -3.6% YoY, which can only mean that Flybe are getting more bums on seats per flight.
http://mediacentre.heathrowairport.c...1770&SizeId=-1
Interesting to note that ATM's in August were still down -3.6% YoY, which can only mean that Flybe are getting more bums on seats per flight.
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From December Blue Islands will upgrade SOU-GCI to an ATR 72 with 66 seats, they are also adding a Saturday evening flight meaning the route will operate 19x weekly. They seem to be pushing the idea of using SOU as a way of getting to London when combined with the train. I'm quite surprised to see GCI route upgraded, I would've thought JER was the more popular of the two routes.
Also there are a couple of increases from the largest resident for next summer.
PMI goes from 6x per week to daily in the peak season.
AGP is now 5x weekly outside the peak months, it was 4 this year.
NCE increases to 5x weekly in the peak season, compared to 4 this year.
BCN increases from 2 to 3 weekly for the whole season.
Also there are a couple of increases from the largest resident for next summer.
PMI goes from 6x per week to daily in the peak season.
AGP is now 5x weekly outside the peak months, it was 4 this year.
NCE increases to 5x weekly in the peak season, compared to 4 this year.
BCN increases from 2 to 3 weekly for the whole season.
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HAH sell-off?
Morning from the frozen north...I come in peace! 
Glasgow and Aberdeen airports may be sold off - The Scotsman
Above story mentions the possibility of HAH selling off their non-LHR assets; therefore my local, SOU & GLA.
I say let it happen for all three, as long as any new potential buyer is interested in developing their shiny 'new' asset and not (as is all too frequent these days) a quick buck.
We'll see I guess.
Glasgow and Aberdeen airports may be sold off - The Scotsman
Above story mentions the possibility of HAH selling off their non-LHR assets; therefore my local, SOU & GLA.
I say let it happen for all three, as long as any new potential buyer is interested in developing their shiny 'new' asset and not (as is all too frequent these days) a quick buck.
We'll see I guess.
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They also do not apparently want to spend any money on updating their antiquated instrument approach procedures. This is 21st century, why no GNSS procedures to replace the off-set NDB & VOR procedures?
And a northern two-way to resolve the horrific 20 backtracking problem and consequential departure delays?
With all the cost cutting at Fly-Be, would have thought that they would have been in banging the table to get something done.
They also do not apparently want to spend any money on updating their antiquated instrument approach procedures. This is 21st century, why no GNSS procedures to replace the off-set NDB & VOR procedures?
And a northern two-way to resolve the horrific 20 backtracking problem and consequential departure delays?
With all the cost cutting at Fly-Be, would have thought that they would have been in banging the table to get something done.
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TCAS FAN: They are finally doing something about this but only for the arrivals from the south which is rarely used. They are proposing a GPS based system which is apparently the future solution although sounds like the cheap option to me.
The backtracking concept is quite astounding. I mean you wouldn't have this situation in a bus station let alone an airport runway. Seeing as SOU make such a fuss of being time conscious you think they would tackle this as a matter of urgency. I mean its only a bit of extra tarmac
. A few lightbulbs have been changed airside recently though so that's the airside budget blown for the next few years 
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Musket90: Quite, different guise same company though.
The backtracking concept is quite astounding. I mean you wouldn't have this situation in a bus station let alone an airport runway. Seeing as SOU make such a fuss of being time conscious you think they would tackle this as a matter of urgency. I mean its only a bit of extra tarmac
. A few lightbulbs have been changed airside recently though so that's the airside budget blown for the next few years .Musket90: Quite, different guise same company though.
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The problem with the extending the taxiway is the fact that it would have to be parallel to the runway (safeguarding issues). The problem with that is that Mitchell Way turns in towards the runway too. Therefore you have to straighten that out, and to do that do SOU own the land next to the railway station, would moving the road affect the railway track etc. You'd have to move the Glidepath to the other side...etc.. it all mounts up to a big job and a big cost.
Now could that money be better spent elsewhere? Somewhere, where you a guaranteed a decent return on your investment. To shareholders of companies need to know that the CEO/board is getting a good ROI, which in turn keep the share price up everyone happy. Except those on the ground who have to back track.
Now could that money be better spent elsewhere? Somewhere, where you a guaranteed a decent return on your investment. To shareholders of companies need to know that the CEO/board is getting a good ROI, which in turn keep the share price up everyone happy. Except those on the ground who have to back track.
A taxiway does not have to be parallel with the runway - it is most certainly NOT parallel at BOH for instance.
There is room to extend the taxiway to the 20 end without having to realign roads, etc. The "queuing" area at the 27 end at London City has a centreline only 85m off the runway centreline. There is easily more space than this at SOU and the vast majority of aircraft using SOU are of a similar size to those at LCY.
Even if they did not extend the taxiway surely they could build a connection to the runway at the north end of the GA apron to halve the backtracking distance?
There is room to extend the taxiway to the 20 end without having to realign roads, etc. The "queuing" area at the 27 end at London City has a centreline only 85m off the runway centreline. There is easily more space than this at SOU and the vast majority of aircraft using SOU are of a similar size to those at LCY.
Even if they did not extend the taxiway surely they could build a connection to the runway at the north end of the GA apron to halve the backtracking distance?
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They are finally doing something about this but only for the arrivals from the south which is rarely used. They are proposing a GPS based system which is apparently the future solution although sounds like the cheap option to me.
Come on Rivet Joint, check your facts before bumbling in to a statement like that. Approaches from the South account for approximately 45% of the SOU approaches. Given that there is no consistent instrument approach for runway 02, not to mention the lack of a lighting system to support appropriate minima, give the guys at Southampton some credit for developing a cost effective solution to this problem. This will be applauded by the resident airlines who would ultimately have to pay for an expensive ILS development in their operating costs. My airline for one will be happy with the solution that our operating costs and passenger fares do not have to pay for.
Southampton would be damned if they were doing nothing about the 02 approach problem, so give them some credit for dealing with a long term problem that is certain to get worse if/when the DVOR is withdrawn.
Come on Rivet Joint, check your facts before bumbling in to a statement like that. Approaches from the South account for approximately 45% of the SOU approaches. Given that there is no consistent instrument approach for runway 02, not to mention the lack of a lighting system to support appropriate minima, give the guys at Southampton some credit for developing a cost effective solution to this problem. This will be applauded by the resident airlines who would ultimately have to pay for an expensive ILS development in their operating costs. My airline for one will be happy with the solution that our operating costs and passenger fares do not have to pay for.
Southampton would be damned if they were doing nothing about the 02 approach problem, so give them some credit for dealing with a long term problem that is certain to get worse if/when the DVOR is withdrawn.