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Old 16th Jan 2014, 18:14
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Loganair

It seems Loganair's EDI disappeared for summer?
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 20:55
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Chatting to EDI crew and apparently Loganair are not going to do it now CityJet are offering it. I suppose not a bad move as over capacity could have pushed both off the route over time - can't see there being enough traffic to warrant the two carriers at the moment
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 11:31
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Real shame.

CWL EDI is still not bookable. Loganair could have stolen a march on CityJet by selling tickets first. I believe Loganair would have been a better long term prospect than CityJet, whoes move to Cardiff smacks of desperation as BA pushes them out of their core LCY market.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 12:08
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No surprise really. Loganair simply unable to compete with the fares charged by Cityjet. With a smaller aircraft (Dornier 328), their costs were always going to be higher than the Fokker 50 used by Cityjet. This gave corresponding higher fares, which with the current state of the economy in South Wales, the public just can't afford. 150 return to EDI is unsustainable at best, whereas the more attractive 99 return with Cityjet is a much better value deal for the public.

A shame, especially as there is now a decrease in capacity between CWL and EDI.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 14:04
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It will be interesting to see if those fares are loss leading promotional fares. Cityjet are not known for low fares, but they have a history of ramping up fares on other routes.

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Old 17th Jan 2014, 14:36
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whereas the more attractive 99 return with Cityjet is a much better value deal for the public.
Except most seats will need to be more expensive than that in a Fokker 50. It's worth remembering which of these two airlines is money making and which one isn't.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 16:54
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Again lots of airline MD's with time on their hands it appears, with so much knowledge about the CWL market, booking patterns, yields by booked date, commercial agreements with airports at either end etc etc?

And best still all this opinion 2.5 months before the first departure to EDI! Bet your crystal b**ls must be in great demand - look BA, AA, EK, QF - just look at the queue!!!!!

Hell I wouldn't get in a car with some of the posters here - car is bound to crash before it leaves
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 16:56
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Where is this 99 fare you speak of? At the moment you cannot book flights to EDI on the Cityjet website. So with Loganair deciding not to run the service, and it not being bookable with Cityjet, Cardiff seems not to have any future service to EDI (???)
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 17:41
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The 99 base return fare is based on the GLA route, but can also be taken as a good guide for the EDI pricing. What are you on about Jarvis123 ?? CityJet have announced an EDI route, therefore CWL obviously had an EDI route ?

People say that its a loss of capacity, but in terms of actual numbers, then as long as the BE customer base is maintained, which in theory it should as prices are quite similar, then the actual figures reported in the stats will not be affected that greatly due to the average LF's.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 17:48
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Thanks, I do know a fair bit about traffic patterns and what works from the Scottish end and I also know what they'll be going against at BRS with EZY. I know which company is cheaper, which company is more profitable, I know that flybe who have way more market presence could not make it work and I know CityJet have been cut off from their own high yielding markets at LCY.

That much we know, the idea that a loss making venture with old aircraft, no market presence in Wales, no based crew and a higher seat mile cost than the other guy is in any way a winner is a joke. It will fail, this is last gasp desperation from a company that never moved on.

If it lasts one year it will be a miracle.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 17:55
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I remember back when Vueling started at CWL, everyone on this forum was saying all the typical things, 'It will never work' etc. etc. that has worked, and is obviously a profitable venture for them as they come back every Summer, even this winter.

Given time, CityJet will work from CWL, and with a new owner on board soon that may of course wish to take on some fleet modernisation, then anything can happen ! It's just great that the airport has managed to attract a replacement carrier within such a short time scale, and the service is there for the catchment to use. As i say, CityJet will need a fleet modernisation programme sooner or later, just hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 18:07
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Perhaps Cityjet at Cardiff will work, perhaps it won't. It would reassure me more if Cityjet published scheduled + fares for the CWL-EDI sooner rather than later. Every day of delay in reservations being available pushes some more Cardiff residents making advance bookings to donate their cash to Easyjet.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 18:13
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I must agree with you there though davidjohnson. It has now been over a week since GLA and ORY were put on sale, so im sure that EDI,JER and GLA and ORY should now be on sale for the Summer season, but i guess it will take as long as they need.
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 20:19
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Yeah totally agree with the previous entry about Vueling.....it was full of comments BCN would fail and they would leave CWL......but have they ? No, they've increased their presence.....ALC & AGP year round with both BCN & PMI summer only.

Do agree though the CityJet advertising has been pretty minimal, it's not even on the CWL web page.....there is mention of Vueling & Citywing, surely it won't take much to add a little CityJet logo & mention ????
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 22:19
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I remember back when Vueling started at CWL, everyone on this forum was saying all the typical things, 'It will never work' etc. etc. that has worked, and is obviously a profitable venture for them as they come back every Summer, even this winter.
Precisely how many summers have they been, to date, back for?
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 22:47
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Phileas im sure you know the answer to this. I believe they started operating BCN back in 2011, which went on sale in October 2010. So i make that 4 summers including this one. If it wasnt profitable or at least going somewhere it would have been axed along with SOU, not continual growth summer on summer, and then even a winter operation all in the space of what is around 4 years, when apparently it was destined to fail ?
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Old 17th Jan 2014, 23:11
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So they've "come back" for the summers 2012 and 2013, they haven't come back yet for summer 2014 because it's still only January.

So your "every" summer is actually 2!

How long did BMI Baby operate to/from CWL before they decided it just wasn't worth it? Didn't they return "every" summer also?
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 11:07
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Phileas seriously, what is wrong?

BMI? O dear they pulled out of Cardiff, they also pulled out of Manchester. Maybe Manchester is doomed?

Bmi had major problems, it's a crying shame as they were a great airline, but the airline had problems well beyond CWL and I hardly think they are the best indicators of how well CWL can perform.

As I have said before, why can't we all for once try and be positive, after all our attitudes have an influence, if people are reading these forums and think 'O well it will fail anyway so best stick with Bristol' then word spreads and it'll fail before it even gets off the ground because people have been wrongly let to assume that something has already gone .

I don't understand why everyone is so quick to write off new (and exciting) developments so quickly, we should be promoting them and supporting and spreading good word, not bad.

At the end of the day CityJet have just launched flights from CWL for about 100 return, that's excellent value and should be welcomed
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 11:30
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Vueling

Vueling has actually been operating from CWL since the end of March 2012 when it commenced flying to Barcelona. Alicante and Palma commenced in mid June that year. So 2014 will be the third summer of operation.

Summer 2013 saw Malaga added which with ALC and BCN commenced at the beginning of April. PMI again began in mid June.

Then for the first time in, 2013/2014, Vueling put in a winter operation at CWL with ALC and AGP.

So the overall picture is one of a steady build-up of its operations at the airport.
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Old 18th Jan 2014, 11:47
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Totally agree with the last 2 posts......well said !!! 👍👍👍
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