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I know, I would rather see them build service by using frequency, so instead on increasing from A332 to B772 would rather see them go to 2xdaily A332,
Just looking at aircraft config, its a 3class offered to Dublin so
12 First
35 Business Class
190 Economy,
Ireland can probably sustain 190 in economy daily, if not more but wot about first and business???
Just looking at aircraft config, its a 3class offered to Dublin so
12 First
35 Business Class
190 Economy,
Ireland can probably sustain 190 in economy daily, if not more but wot about first and business???
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It will be interesting to see where the 3 class unit comes from?
Some will needed for the new flights to FRA and HKG starting December but I think one frame will be used for DUB (even thought it starts in January).
On 1st January DXB-PRG will be upgraded from A332 to B773 but this is a 2 class A332.
EK could have kitted the aircraft out as 75% 'Steerage' and sold one way tickets to Aus with little difficulty on a daily basis.
It will be interesting if we see load factors in each direction.
JAS
It will be interesting if we see load factors in each direction.
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That remark on the other website was a joke, Delta154, so dont be making trouble. It was also answered that the two daily EY flights and the EK flight offer a similar level of capacity as one A380, which is entirely correct.
If you are going to attack people like that, at least get your facts right.
If you are going to attack people like that, at least get your facts right.
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That remark on the other website was a joke, Delta154, so dont be making trouble. It was also answered that the two daily EY flights and the EK flight offer a similar level of capacity as one A380, which is entirely correct.
If you are going to attack people like that, at least get your facts right.
If you are going to attack people like that, at least get your facts right.
Secondly, Etihad is 11 weekly, not 2 daily.
Thirdly, I wouldnt be so sure it was a joke, Im not going to post why on here as it would surely be jumped on by the mods as irrelvent (which in all fairness it would be), but if you would like to know more behind the remark, feel free to pm me justanotherloser
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Brilliant news - about 
time!
I was surprised to see a 3 class aircraft and I guess that's what's available, but whatever they send is welcome! As I said previously, with THEIR A330s not going to be around beyond 3-4 years, EK will want to upgrade to 773/77Ws at some stage, which means they will be quite aggressive in building their Irish route; would not be surprised to see a 77F service at some stage, either, as cargo will be very important.
I would expect to see EK going twice daily in due course,largely because the late night Dep. ex-DUB is better for connections to Oz. (SYD, MEL, BNE nonstops leave c.1030).
This is a huge boost to the Irish economy; with EI unlikely to look east (certainly now) and one of their potential owners (BA) unlikely to encourage them anyway, EK is where the future lies as far as tapping Asian markets. I bet EI is wondering what might have been, had Mannion not messed up the DXB route ...
time! I was surprised to see a 3 class aircraft and I guess that's what's available, but whatever they send is welcome! As I said previously, with THEIR A330s not going to be around beyond 3-4 years, EK will want to upgrade to 773/77Ws at some stage, which means they will be quite aggressive in building their Irish route; would not be surprised to see a 77F service at some stage, either, as cargo will be very important.
I would expect to see EK going twice daily in due course,largely because the late night Dep. ex-DUB is better for connections to Oz. (SYD, MEL, BNE nonstops leave c.1030).
This is a huge boost to the Irish economy; with EI unlikely to look east (certainly now) and one of their potential owners (BA) unlikely to encourage them anyway, EK is where the future lies as far as tapping Asian markets. I bet EI is wondering what might have been, had Mannion not messed up the DXB route ...
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would not be surprised to see a 77F service at some stage, either, as cargo will be very important
I would expect to see EK going twice daily in due course,largely because the late night Dep. ex-DUB is better for connections to Oz. (SYD, MEL, BNE nonstops leave c.1030)
Then, for the exclusive few who perform well, a 3rd daily flight in the morning. So far, only Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester and Frankfurt seem to have that in Europe.
For the destinations with exceptional F/J demand, they look at the A380.
had Mannion not messed up the DXB route
-Ive seen some say 'Mannion was wrong to say only 50 people fly DUB-SYD every day. 50 seats a day from DUB-SYD is probably about right. Dont forget, Emirates wont just be serving DUB-DXB-SYD, but pretty much every destination east of Dubai. 50 a day heading to 1 single destination out of the probable other 40 or so destinations is quite generous.
-Other say how could EI not make DUB-middle east work, but EY can? EY dont make DUB-Mid east work, and neither will Emirates. You will find very few passengers actually terminate at DXB/AUH. EK/EY are making DUB-Far east/Australasia work! These 2 airlines offer something EI never could, nor never will, thats onward connections.
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I bet EI is wondering what might have been, had Mannion not messed up the DXB route ...
It will be *very* interesting to see what Etihad do here, having built the market up well, is there really room for both?
btw Emirates only have two B777Fs so not that sure DUB will be seeing them soon.
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DL154,
I'm perfectly calm. Just a tad annoyed at seeing the arrogance on this site which seems to suggest it is somehow superior. If anything, the Dublin thread on this site is toxic with negativity and caustic that comes from a handful of posters in Jobs which always think they are the font of all knowledge. (I am not pointing that accusation at you, by the way)
Secondly, i'm quite aware that EY are 11 weekly, but on the days where they operate two daily, the capacity offered is not a million miles from an A380 when you now add the capacity being offered by EK. That is a statement of fact. No one was saying EK were going to jump from a 330 to a 380 in a matter of days.... the guy who made the post on that site made it quite clear with the smiley face and his wording, that it was, indeed a joke.
Now, to the assertion that DUB-SYD is a market of 50 pax per day, in fact the market DUB-SYD is just a few shy of 50,000 per annum. That equates to 138 pax per day, and that is not counting the numbers going from ORK, SNN or BFS either, many of whom could be expected to travel from DUB.
I'm perfectly calm. Just a tad annoyed at seeing the arrogance on this site which seems to suggest it is somehow superior. If anything, the Dublin thread on this site is toxic with negativity and caustic that comes from a handful of posters in Jobs which always think they are the font of all knowledge. (I am not pointing that accusation at you, by the way)
Secondly, i'm quite aware that EY are 11 weekly, but on the days where they operate two daily, the capacity offered is not a million miles from an A380 when you now add the capacity being offered by EK. That is a statement of fact. No one was saying EK were going to jump from a 330 to a 380 in a matter of days.... the guy who made the post on that site made it quite clear with the smiley face and his wording, that it was, indeed a joke.
Now, to the assertion that DUB-SYD is a market of 50 pax per day, in fact the market DUB-SYD is just a few shy of 50,000 per annum. That equates to 138 pax per day, and that is not counting the numbers going from ORK, SNN or BFS either, many of whom could be expected to travel from DUB.
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Emirates will have new times from 25 March. Slots have to TBC but it will be lather than the current times. They can't operate from T2 any earlier thats why they have to arrive at 11.30.
EY won't cut. They are making €€€ on that service and its one of there most profitable. EK will help bring down prices which is good.
EY won't cut. They are making €€€ on that service and its one of there most profitable. EK will help bring down prices which is good.
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EY won't cut. They are making €€€ on that service and its one of there most profitable. EK will help bring down prices which is good.
If, and its a big if,
a) EY's DUB-AUH is one of their most profitable, but then
b)EK forces them to drop seat prices,
Doesnt that mean point a) then comes into question? After all, a drop in seat prices means a drop in profit?
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EY won't cut. They are making €€€ on that service and its one of there most profitable. EK will help bring down prices which is good.
If the average price on the route is driven down, which it will be as a result of increased competition - total revenues for EY will drop and as a result so will their bottom line profitability ex DUB.
Excellent news no doubt, particularly in the current environment - however I would question as to how full the F cabin will be ex DUB and as to what level of discounting may be required to boost loads in that cabin.
No doubt the route will be a strong performer overall, it's the total net increase in Middle East traffic ex DUB that will be the important metric.
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EY charge €250 - €300 more for flights from DUB compared to flights from MAN, LHR etc. They will be able to take a massive cut in fares before the routes starts to lose money. They will not just play right into EK by reducing in the near future.
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EY charge €250 - €300 more for flights from DUB compared to flights from MAN, LHR etc.
MAN-AUH came in at £690
DUB-AUH came in at €482.90 (factor in the exchange rate courtesy of xe.com and I make it £419)
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A dummy booking for a flight several months from now means little or nothing.
More succesful and profitable routes are often those with later booking profiles
More succesful and profitable routes are often those with later booking profiles
9th Sept
MAN-AUH £893
DUB-AUH £462
10th sept
MAN-AUH £693
DUB-AUH £507