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Old 29th Mar 2011, 00:04
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With the amount of fuel you need to have in the aircraft for a Delhi-Dublin flight, a Boeing 777 will not be able to land or take off on this runway. For such operations, one at least needs a 10,500-ft runway,” said Mohan Ranganathan, a Chennai-based aviation analyst, who has worked as a pilot with various airlines.
He adds that the airport is also “notorious” when it comes to landing and takeoff, and pilots need special training, which would be further trouble for the ailing carrier.
Odd that Emirates manage out of Glasgow though.....
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 00:11
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Odd that Emirates manage out of Glasgow though.....
Eithad have done it out of Dublin a few times last April and May.

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Old 29th Mar 2011, 07:24
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If the Runway is such a hindereance and if the Air India have no intention of starting a hub them you'd wonder what the DAA and Air India have been talking about for the last 12 months or so.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 08:06
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Fuel (and thus weight/take off distance) required from DUB-AUH is much less than that from DUB-DEL.

And as for pre-clearance, I reckon it's because the US Immigration staff only work mornings?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 08:19
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Dublin was one of those peculiarly difficult straight in approaches with ILS, PAPIs and a lack of mountains or particularly bad weather ... very difficult indeed (well, for pilots who haven't forged their flying licences!)
That dangerous dublin quote is bizarre - perhaps he has forgotten the local rabied dogs, that 10% of airport land is filled with slum dwellers, the porus perimiter fence, the fact that the R27 LOC was stolen in broad daylight and the 'wonderful' apron lighting that enables you to spot the ground staff in their 'florescent' uniforms. All in the commercial capital


Moving on...

The business standard article is full of non quotable comments from people not wanting to be quoted - even an analyst who doesnt want to be quoted - wonder why - analysts have something to sell?

It must be true then.

If AI were not interested in Dublin - why would they sending a team to Ireland to visit, and have shortlisted down the airports to two. CPH and MAD were unsuccessful if it is now down to DUB and BHX.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 12:32
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So who didn't do their homework on unchecked facts, Surajeet Das Gupta or Mihir Mishra?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 12:54
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If AI were not interested in Dublin - why would they sending a team to Ireland to visit, and have shortlisted down the airports to two
But did anyone notice 99% of the info comming about AI was from Irish Source. Apart from one American source, I have not seen a single Indian source to say AI were hubbing at DUB.

If the Runway is such a hindereance and if the Air India have no intention of starting a hub them you'd wonder what the DAA and Air India have been talking about for the last 12 months or so
Again AI havent actually said anything though, have they. Whats even funnier is, that the Irish Transport Minister recently went to India, and during that time, met with AI. Whats interesting is, in the very comprehensive list of 'people he met' during his visit, it doesnt actually mention anyone from AI. He met the CAA guys, but sepnt the time talking about Delhi and the duty free shops.

Realistically, did people honestly expect AI to come. Apart from per clearance (which I still see as a false economy) and cheap fees, what could DUB offer AI? Theres already a strong TATL presence at DUB, to the point that even AA have a hard time justifying a year round service, theres very very little O&D presence, the runway is short so likely the aircraft would be payload restricted, and with AI in star, little feed options into the hub.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 14:00
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If someone had asked me two years ago, I'd have said it was a bizarre story but I can't imagine the DAA putting such time and effort into it if there isn't some chance of success. If it is down to DUB and BHX, the large Indian Community in the UK will be a major factor. Let's hope the runway lenght doesn't lose it for Dublin.

Aer Rianta/ DAA have had ample time to extend it over the years.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 16:19
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Let's hope the runway lenght doesn't lose it for Dublin.
BHX runway is 2599m
DUB runway is 2637m

so it wont be the runway that would lose it.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 16:58
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Widebody Stands at T2.

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Even if Some of the Aer Lingus A330 are moved away from stands during the week there will still be problems on Weekends as they operate AGP, FAO in the mornings.
don't forget that one of the EI aircraft that arrive in such as EI104 and EI136 will go AGP and the other goes to the Hangar for regular maintenance checks. They won't sit there for long periods of time so there will be space.

Also, as has been pointed out here too, EI109 and EI139 don't use the USCBP facility due to USCBP staff not working after a certain time. So I reckon the aircraft that operate those flights will be departing from Pier B. Aer Lingus have said that some of their flights will have to operate out of Pier B during the summer schedule due to capacity issues in T2 - which was also mentioned here before. To be fair it makes sense to use the closest pier to T2 to allow for the overflow don't you think?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 17:13
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EI109 and EI139 don't use the USCBP facility due to USCBP staff not working after a certain time.
I guess these are all Americans and there aren't enough to cover the flights the airport has then?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 18:30
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Whats interesting is, in the very comprehensive list of 'people he met' during his visit, it doesnt actually mention anyone from AI.
Ministers visit Ministers on state visits- thats governmental protocol. AI is a state company, and the ultimate shareholder is the minister he met. The working group are visiting in two weeks - remember....

More seriously - I wonder if the Indian Minister of Civil Aviation told his counterpart about how dangerous Dublin was as it is obvioulsy true since it is in the newspaper article, and everone else considers the rest of the article as crystal clear fact

Since the newspaper artcle states that Ireland isn't a tourist destination lets also accept that as fact as it must be true - just like the dangers at the airport. This is the same un-educated 'Why-oh-why is ryanair flying to a place where z's replace vowels - who wants to go there....' perhaps the people from there want to go to London! duh! In this case - what about India for the Irish?

The article quotes a retired director and some safety consultant who seems worried about what I can only think are those subversive lepracauns!

Time to move on. Let the airline make the decision - whenever that would be.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 18:49
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The working group are visiting in two weeks
But again, AI themselfs havent actually stated they are visiting have they? Its just newspaper articles.

Im sorry to be so pessemistic, but even if the hub is announced, I give it 12-18 months anyway. There is just nothing to keep AI at DUB, and if a higher yieldinG, and higher O&D airport such as FRA cant work, then DUB is unlikely to work too.
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Old 30th Mar 2011, 22:14
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American Airlines increase DUB - ORD.

B763 - 5 April - 17 November (757 was due back mid October)
B757 - 18 November - March 2012.

Also a while back I said that Delta would operate a A330-300 on DUB - ATL for the months of June, July and August.

They will now operate the A330 between 3 June - 29 October.

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Old 31st Mar 2011, 10:14
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And a possible second JFK flight for DL
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 00:58
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And a possible second JFK flight for DL
Delta have added 2 extra weekly flights.
Daily - arrive DUB 8:45 - depart DUB 10:30 - B757
Thur & Fri - arrive DUB 06:50 - depart DUB 14:10 - B767 (1 June - 1 Sep)

The B767 will then return from 29 October and operate daily through out the winter season.
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 10:05
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Delta have added 2 extra weekly flights.
Daily - arrive DUB 8:45 - depart DUB 10:30 - B757
Thur & Fri - arrive DUB 06:50 - depart DUB 14:10 - B767 (1 June - 1 Sep)

The B767 will then return from 29 October and operate daily through out the winter season.


Good news on the extra flights any news on the passenger figures for March at Dublin?
hopefully the figures are on the up!
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 10:40
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Is AA all year this year or taking a break for the Winter?
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 11:02
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Is AA all year this year or taking a break for the Winter?
If only each airline had their own websiite to answer such questions....
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 15:02
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Why bother with the web wen u have PPRuNe lol!!
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