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Old 8th Feb 2015, 22:15
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Thanks both of you. This is what I came across - US preclearance at Stockholm Arlanda Airport - Swedavia
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Old 8th Feb 2015, 22:28
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The airlines aren't going to use a mainland Europe airport as a hub when Dublin is the first stop.
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Old 9th Feb 2015, 10:31
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The airlines aren't going to use a mainland Europe airport as a hub when Dublin is the first stop.

Tell that to the airlines who are operating from hubs allover Europe to the USA. Maybe you know something that they don't?
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Old 9th Feb 2015, 13:43
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Most of those airlines are not American. Preclearance would never work in big airports anyway due to passenger volumes, it would be even worse than NYC.
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Old 9th Feb 2015, 21:40
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Most of those airlines are not American. Preclearance would never work in big airports anyway due to passenger volumes, it would be even worse than NYC.
YYZ CBP handles about 8M pax a year. Not many airports in Europe have 8M pax to the US.

Airports just need to be designed to handle it. The large airports in Canada make Dublin's CBP look pathetic, with large post-clearance areas with shops, bars, waiting areas etc.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 02:03
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Who's the mod on this forum these days? Still PPRuNe Pop?
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 08:06
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And the irony is that all the post cbp retailing in Montreal is run by dublin airports Ari team.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 08:55
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 13:53
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And the irony is that all the post cbp retailing in Montreal is run by dublin airports Ari team.
Branded identically to DUB, at that.

Had as enjoyable a wait as possible for a heavily delayed United Express flight last year, I would have probably gone out of my mind in DUBs CBP "lounge".
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 14:21
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Branded identically to DUB, at that.

Had as enjoyable a wait as possible for a heavily delayed United Express flight last year, I would have probably gone out of my mind in DUBs CBP "lounge".
Being a while since I used it but is there space for improving the offering in future without building work or is that needed?
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 14:38
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The problem is that post cbp is considered U.S. territory and therefore isn't duty free anymore.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 16:51
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Well they sell Irish crisps and stuff
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 18:52
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The problem is that post cbp is considered U.S. territory
It's even scarier than that, as I discovered during an incident at Dublin. It's a weird limbo.

It remains host-country territory,diplomatically and legally, however:

4. Within the preclearance area, the Host Party shall:
...
(d) authorize the Inspecting Party's preclearance
officers who act on reasonable grounds to use as much
force as is necessary to perform their preclearance
duties under the Agreement. The preclearance officer
may not use force that is intended or is likely to
cause death or cause grievous bodily harm, unless the
officer believes on reasonable grounds that it is
necessary for self-preservation or the preservation of
anyone in the preclearance area from death or grievous
harm.
So basically Ireland ( or Canada or whomever ) grants US officials physical power over host-country citizens on host-country territory.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 20:41
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In a confined area Bunto. Stop making an issue out of it! You need to look at it in the same way as a controlled airspace.
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Old 10th Feb 2015, 22:26
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So basically Ireland ( or Canada or whomever ) grants US officials physical power over host-country citizens on host-country territory.
An arrangement we could reciprocate on, if it made any sense at all. But it doesn't, as no airport in the US has the flight volume to DUB/SNN to justify it.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 10:40
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Ryanair launched winter 15 which sess Lunlin resumed while a new daily service to CPH begins (fourth carrier) now. Some increases elsewhere BCN goes 3 daily, clearly a Vueling determent as when they operated at Xmas they operated a third daily.

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ne...ule/?market=ie
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 11:12
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Four airlines to CPH? I wonder how long that will last. It wasn't long ago that SK was the only airline on the route. What has brought on the sudden increase? Scandinavia has long been very poorly connected to Ireland. Is it a case of Norwegian trying to encroach on FR's home territory. FR really don't like that. The question is how long will the other three hang around for?

I'd be less troubled about BCN. Always a very popular destination that can probably support more flights and airlines than most. I'll be interested to see how Vueling do, its been a while since DUB had a new airline, I wonder if they will have more inbound passengers? Im sure most Irish wouldn't have a clue who that Vueling crowd are!
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 11:40
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SK a long time
EI were and droped around 2008 and resumed in 2013
DY began in 2009
FR begin 2015

EI will likely drop and not sure if DY will because of the Long hail arm.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 12:58
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There is a history of EI starting and stopping the CPH route, hopefully this time they will hold on. I hope that the US connectivity will render the route sustainable.

I suspect SK and DY will exit sooner than EI and FR. EI will hold out, if their approach is to exit in the face of extremely low fares like the 60c I've just paid for return, they may as well take that approach across their network and so routes like DUB BRU would be canned too. I can't see that happening.

EI are quite resilient, time has shown that.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 13:13
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EI offer no connections. DY may keep it to show the US they are not just taking advantage of AOC.

SK got rid of EI and FR off Stockholm so don't under estimate them within 12 months, first FR and then EI.
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