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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 17:36
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Would ET have traffic rights in and out of DUB to states and Ethiopia
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 17:52
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They need clearance from the US to carry traffic to/from LAX. East bound shouldn't be a problem.

BTW where is all the 787 rumours coming from as it CEO said its a B777 service if it happens.

Im sure EI are watching this closely and there will probably be plenty of objections from carriers either side of the pound, not convinced they will get the rights.
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 19:56
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The DAA has gone out to several airlines and ET is not the only one to have been approached, just the first one that seems to have bitten.

The DAA would not have made these approaches if the govt were going to obstruct it - and the govt's policy is to encourage fifth freedom rights; the new aviation policy will enshrine this as policy - and a good thing too. If EI doesn't fly the route, it can't act as "dog in the manger". I can't see US carriers being too pushed, as no US carriers has sought to fly LAX-DUB.

There are still quite a few cities to which we don't yet have a link and I'm sure the govt would encourage the DAA to tout for routes and if fifth freedom rights work as the bait to reel them in, then let them do it.
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Old 3rd Jul 2014, 20:37
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It is worth noting DL AA UA and US have huge traffic to LAX ex IRL , it just goes via their hubs, they will object for sure, why wouldn't they? See their reaction to NAS ex UK , but who knows maybe the concept of free trade will hit the aviation world
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 12:42
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Over 2.1 million passengers in June up 6%.

Europe 1.2 million up 4%
UK 640,000 up 4%
Transatlantic 245,000 up 15%
Middle East/Africa 51,000 up 12%
Domestic 6,000 up 3%

Year to date just under 10 million up 7%

Latest News > Over 2.1 Million Passengers At Dublin Airport In June
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 13:28
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Rumor has it contract been signed between Ethiopian airlines and DAA for Addis - Dublin - LAX - Addis, starting March 2015 using B77L equipment. You heard it first
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 16:10
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So it's going to be load restricted if it is the 77L, about 70% of MTOW, as page 10 of this document describes (approximately 3,300m required for MTOW at MSL on a standard day of 15 degrees C, QNH 1013 HPA, Density 1.225 kg per m3)

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...s/7772sec3.pdf

Edited to add of course DUB-LAX would require nowhere near max fuel load for a full pax cabin, but they would be unable to go to MTOW by adding cargo

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Old 4th Jul 2014, 16:19
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Rumor has it contract been signed between Ethiopian airlines and DAA for Addis - Dublin - LAX - Addis, starting March 2015 using B77L equipment. You heard it first
Is it not routed via DUB on the return or just a typo?
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Old 4th Jul 2014, 17:43
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A typo one would hope
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 13:21
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Una, you can never go to MTOW by adding cargo if you've already reached MZFW.
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 14:05
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Apologies, the point I'm trying to make is that they won't be able to do MZFW due to the runway
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 17:40
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It's a typo unfortunately. It does indeed return via Dublin from LAX. 5th freedom is being utilized and approved by IAA. March is rumored the start date, with 3 flights departing weekly. Official announcement should be released soon enough one hopes.

Just to note that ET operate the long range B777 with the GE engines producing 115,000lbs of thrust. I would hope the airline has looked into the performance and payload for this route.
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 23:11
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So is that 13 BA flights a day out of DUB? Have they ever done anything near that many before? I mean I remember dashes to SOU, 737s to MAN and Tridents and 1-11s to LHR, but never 13 of them......
Not quiet, BA have being cutting back LHR. They were 8 daily, then late last year they cut back to 7/8 daily and now once LCY starts they cut to 6/7 daily. (out of the mixed frequency, its primarily the lower of the two)
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 13:35
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Hi all, quick question, does anyone know does the westjet crew on the early st Johns landing in dub go straight back, or overnight?
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:03
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Straight back after turnaround, sure its only a short hop really.

Just about the same distance/time as a Turkey and back.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:39
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Do we know what loads are like re West jet.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:50
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AFAIK crew return same flight, a change takes place at St. Johns for the YYZ leg.

As for loads, according to there CEO the route is mores less at capacity with loads of 95% with little more availability towards October. They also said they are looking at year round flights. Over 11.000 tickets were sold during the first 24h of the route going online.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 16:48
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4 hr 15 East, 1 hr 20 at DUB, 5 hr 5 West with reporting an hour before, that's a 10 hour 25 day on an aeroplane with two loads of passengers and meals. Not sure I'd be bidding for that gig unless there was a decent payday in it.

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Old 6th Jul 2014, 17:36
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4 hr 15 East, 1 hr 20 at DUB, 5 hr 5 West with reporting an hour before, that's a 10 hour 25 day on an aeroplane with two loads of passengers and meals. Not sure I'd be bidding for that gig!
Compared to a 10h flight to Izmir with Aer Lingus with an extra 76 passengers. Meal services is probably hard however once its done, its an easy flight compared to similar hops in Europe. Given the choice I think most might pick T/A flight.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 19:37
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Westjet DUB/YYT

Do westjet offer complimentary meals on this flight or is it BOB like their domestic ops?
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