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Ryanair versus Airbus and Boeing
Tell me one person who does not try to play one supplier off against another? Do none of you price around when buying a car or a holiday or a tv?
Thats what Ryanair did to get such a good deal from Boeing and to describe good negotiating, driving a hard bargain and bettering all other buyers can hardly be describes as a joke.
Of course times change and the tactics that worked in 2001/2002 may not be appropriate now. Remember however at one stage Ryanair did stop buying new for a while and was seriously in the market for good second hand B737's.
Business is business and getting the best possible deal is good business
Thats what Ryanair did to get such a good deal from Boeing and to describe good negotiating, driving a hard bargain and bettering all other buyers can hardly be describes as a joke.
Of course times change and the tactics that worked in 2001/2002 may not be appropriate now. Remember however at one stage Ryanair did stop buying new for a while and was seriously in the market for good second hand B737's.
Business is business and getting the best possible deal is good business
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Business is business and getting the best possible deal is good business
If Curry's staff witnessed you spouting such rubbish, do you really think they'll great you with open arms the next time you go back to change your blu-ray player, or pick up a toaster???
If Curry's staff witnessed you spouting such rubbish, do you really think they'll great you with open arms the next time you go back to change your blu-ray player, or pick up a toaster???
Much as Boeing feel aggrieved they a lot happier they got the order than Airbus.
300 Aircraft later plus 48 on order and 173 options they still have a big grin on their faces. Ryanair has purchased the equivalent of 1 1/2 years production from Boeing of their 737.
Ask the Boeing rep who signed the deal would he rather be known as the guy who got Ryanair to start buying their 500 plus jets they will buy or the Guy who lost Ryanair to Airbus.
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as much as we all hate ryanair it keeps us in a job, at the of the day the planes have to maintenance and parts and parts cost money new tyres etc all these keep people in jobs , local areas where ryanair base planes cabin crew need to rent somewhere , so if ryanair is to pull out an area , or go bust in the end it kills whole areas.
Kicked this one to the Mods to look at as Flightmapping is a midlands based site and concerned that given what posters have highlighted it appears to be a "deliberate" false story.
I was always told that the secret to a good negotiation was to make sure that the losing party [ies] felt that they had a chance to get the business when the next bidding opportunity came along.
In this case, if I was Airbus, I wouldn't even bother to tender, meaning that Boeing could 'rape' [his words] MOL
In this case, if I was Airbus, I wouldn't even bother to tender, meaning that Boeing could 'rape' [his words] MOL
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Before anyone places a post on this or any other thread that is questionable, as this one is, it must not be placed if it is NOT fact. Something 5 years or more is NOT.
That particular tale is now removed. Please do not repeat it.
That particular tale is now removed. Please do not repeat it.
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svencarlson, looking for the same thing. I think it could be like that:
Stansted 40 ?
Dublin 15 ?
Madrid 14
Bergamo 14
Charleroi 13
Alicante 10 (11 July/August ?)
Hahn 8
Liverpool 8
Barcelona 8
Niederrhein 7
Ciampino 7
Pisa 7
Faro 7
Edinburgh 6 (up to 8 ?)
Nottingham 6
Prestwick 6
Skavsta 6
Gerona 5
Bristol 5
Porto 5
Malaga 4
Bologna 4
Trapani 4
Birmingham 4
Luton 4
Rygge 4
Bremen 3
Reus 3
Sevilla 3
Kaunas 2
Leeds 2
Bari 2
Cagliari 2
Valencia 2
Gran Canaria 2
Teneriffa 2
Lanzarote 2
Marseille 2 (base will close in September)
Bournemouth 1
Cork 1 (2 Juni - August)
Alghero 1
Brindisi 1
Pescara 1
Malta 1
Shannon 1
Stansted 40 ?
Dublin 15 ?
Madrid 14
Bergamo 14
Charleroi 13
Alicante 10 (11 July/August ?)
Hahn 8
Liverpool 8
Barcelona 8
Niederrhein 7
Ciampino 7
Pisa 7
Faro 7
Edinburgh 6 (up to 8 ?)
Nottingham 6
Prestwick 6
Skavsta 6
Gerona 5
Bristol 5
Porto 5
Malaga 4
Bologna 4
Trapani 4
Birmingham 4
Luton 4
Rygge 4
Bremen 3
Reus 3
Sevilla 3
Kaunas 2
Leeds 2
Bari 2
Cagliari 2
Valencia 2
Gran Canaria 2
Teneriffa 2
Lanzarote 2
Marseille 2 (base will close in September)
Bournemouth 1
Cork 1 (2 Juni - August)
Alghero 1
Brindisi 1
Pescara 1
Malta 1
Shannon 1
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Originally Posted by THICKO
Slightly off topic - Does anyone know whether FR base ALC is 5/4 or 5/3?
Thanks
(Pilot work pattern
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Thanks
(Pilot work pattern
)ALC BASE:
- Winter 2010-11: 5 AC - 3 depart/aircraft
- Summer 2011: 10 AC with a reinforcement during July (+1 AC)
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The story goes that Boeing were unhappy on a few fronts.
1) They sold to FR when they needed to get cash in the door. This later cost them dear, when FR took all the aircraft (and options), effectively jumping the queue, taking aircraft other operators would have taken at much higher prices.
2) FR boasted about the deal in the typical, flamboyant way.
3) In an unusual move, FR continued to take factory-fresh new 738's but then sold the aircraft they were done with, instead of moving delivery slots, as might have been expected. The FR aircraft were much cheaper than Boeing would have sold those operators new aircraft, at a time when orders were drying up.
1) They sold to FR when they needed to get cash in the door. This later cost them dear, when FR took all the aircraft (and options), effectively jumping the queue, taking aircraft other operators would have taken at much higher prices.
2) FR boasted about the deal in the typical, flamboyant way.
3) In an unusual move, FR continued to take factory-fresh new 738's but then sold the aircraft they were done with, instead of moving delivery slots, as might have been expected. The FR aircraft were much cheaper than Boeing would have sold those operators new aircraft, at a time when orders were drying up.
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Boeing only have themselves to blame then for doing the deal, you can hardly blame FR in this instance in taking advantage of what was on offer.
They have learnt a valuable lesson here for the future you would hope.
They have learnt a valuable lesson here for the future you would hope.
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Right, but MRS comes back this summer
Ryanair Adds 11 New Marseille Summer Routes
In Germany you fly to Nottingham not to East Midlands. Sorry, if I annoyed someone.
Ryanair...announced an extended summer season operation at Marseille which will see up to two aircraft temporarily overnight at the airport for just over a four month period (14th April until 4th Sept)
In Germany you fly to Nottingham not to East Midlands. Sorry, if I annoyed someone.