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Old 15th Jun 2011, 20:00
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Its the newest locost at Manch
1 seat, only if its the two seater
baggage allowance very very small
no inflight entertainment unless you are into aerobatics
no food guess what is coming up next
gets you there pretty quick though

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Old 16th Jun 2011, 22:09
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Did I see a Star Air 767F as we taxiied into T2 on Wednesday evening?

If I did... New route, charter or diversion?
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Old 16th Jun 2011, 22:13
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Star 767

There was another one tonight routing BFS - MAN - Cologne

Not sure what they are up to
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 14:51
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UPS have a slight problem with DfT regarding the shipment of unexploded IEDs concealed in printer cartridges. EMA has been taken "offline" pending improvements to their screening procedures/capabilities.

MAN's freight facilities are up to the job and the flights temporarily re-assigned.

More freight at MAN is always welcome.
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 14:55
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Norwegian A/S to start October 2011

Norwegian website shows a resumption of their service to MAN from 31.10.11. arriving from Oslo.

DY1348 A 09.50 and returns as DY1349 D 10.20.

Good news and hopefully loads will be sustainable this time.
First green shoots of a recovery? And a vote of confidence in MAN.
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 21:13
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Looking forward at MAN

One Sixty Until 4,

Thank you for the update. I agree this is good news and hopefully the Oslo-Manchester link will be successful.

Overall I think the recovery at Manchester is definately more than green shoots. This is quite evident now, especially with Madrid and Berlin links back, as well as some downright exiting (and hopefully successful) new routes from Easyjet like Bilbao. With Easyjet clearly committed to MAN, Jet 2 and Monarch likewise and with the prospect of interesting potential destinations like Bologna and Seville potentially on the cards for next year, as well as the new Jet2 'new' offerings to Barcelona, Toulouse, Bergamo and Paris, it will be now be interesting to see how both Flybe and Ryanair play their cards.

With regard to Flybe, I would love to see them expand into destinations in the south of France (and publicise it) as clearly they have done a good job in the north based on the number of satisfied customers who travel with them from Manchester to that region. My only concern with them is that in the past any offering to S. France has been a bit half hearted i.e. limited to the school holiday season, so for example if anybody wanted to travel to Avignon for a weekend in June they would need to travel via SOU. This is where Ryaniar could potentially clean up on the south of France routes from MAN if they wanted to.

Ryanair will be interesting over the next month or so. What do they do? Having come back to MAN they are clearly interested in developing their business from here. I and many others would love to see them do so however nobody likes to be blackmailed however we also understand that costs need to be controlled. Also MAN was quite right to do a deal with them as it really gave Easyjet the jolt they needed to provide something more exiting than what had been provided previously. I think this will be a real test of business judgement on both Ryanair and Manchester Airport's part. We clearly want the opportunity to fly with Ryanair from MAN as we do with other airlines and are prepared to pay for them on reasonable terms commensurate with the airport keeping a competative selection of airlines, and a good quality service to customers.

With the disposable income in the Greater Manchester/ Cheshire area, and the opportunites this would bring for Ryanair if they provided a significant expansion from MAN my view is that they would be successful if they are up for it. However as very welcome Madrid was, it would also be good to see them offering some unique routes from MAN e.g. destinations in France (Nimes, Toulon, Marseilles etc.), or similar airports not currently served from MAN in Italy or Spain. On this basis I think it would be a mistake on Ryanair's part not to expand from MAN within the next month or so. However I fear that pride may get in the way of business acumen and this will see FR either providing a minimal service from MAN, or reasons will be found to storm out (in the face of competition) and see FR cast off back to the Liverpool's of this world. I hope I'm wrong as I think MAN would benefit significantly from FR as would FR from MAN, and I think MAN are being very reasonable (no I don't work there) but I think FR are quite easily capable of looking a gift horse in the mouth. One rhetorical question for on the back of a card, why should an airline and airport be prevented from getting the business and service that customers want and are prepared to pay for because of management intransigence in one company or another?

There finishes my sermon of the week,

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Old 17th Jun 2011, 22:17
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 22:55
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Having come back to MAN they are clearly interested in developing their business from here.
Remember Ryanair have NO aircraft based at Manchester. I feel that they are using Manchester more as a destination to utilise overseas based aircraft than any commitment to the airport.
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Old 18th Jun 2011, 05:38
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Some might say testing the water.

Off to Paris now to sign for my Gulfstream ( in my dreams)
chance to get a look at B748 and freighter


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Old 18th Jun 2011, 09:42
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DomyDolt, FR didn't give easy any kind of jolt at MAN. BIO was a replacement for HEL and SXF and MAD were well in the pipeline before FR's announcement which is why Easyjet were so pissed off.
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Old 18th Jun 2011, 19:14
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As regards to the comment about Madrid. Ryanair have filled a gap in Manchester schedules, how long did Easyjet need ? If indeed, they have/had planned to operate the route from Manchester. With Madrid firmly established at Liverpool why would they do this ?
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 02:40
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The day after FR announced MAN-MAD, There was a Director business brief at the MAN base who said they were "pissed off" (his words) as MAD was already in the pipeline and MAN knew it. Yet they let an airline who they (MAN) had serious issues with potentially jeopardise what has been steady, consistent and reliable growth shown by Easyjet. IMO of course, competition isn't necassarilly a bad thing but MAN-MAD was in the pipeline. Routes take a while to come to fruition aswell and aren't usually announced on a whim. Indeed, those of you who truly know Easyjet these days will know that they actually pretty cautious when it comes to launching new routes/opportunities. Remember also that MAD came as part of a wider route launch ex MAN. MAD would have come to MAN regardless of FR.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 11:10
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Hi there

Out of interest has the construction of the new control tower started yet?
If not does anyone know when this is due to begin

Cheers
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 11:21
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What stands are the 2 WFU A320's of TCX parked on. I think it was 2013 a new ATC tower
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 11:26
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An airline filled a gap so what, Easyjet may of had plans but they took to long to announce them and another carrier did instead. What is the big deal about it?
Manchester Airport can't stop an airlines from opening a route once they are paying full airport charges.

As Ryaniar and Easyjet couldn't both operate it from Liverpool why is MAN going to be different a few miles down the road. By the end if next March one of them will drop MAD but which one it remains to be seen.

In regard to summer 2012, have herd Faro and Ibiza on the cards for EZY.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 15:30
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One Sixty until 4:
Norwegian website shows a resumption of their service to MAN from 31.10.11. arriving from Oslo.

DY1348 A 09.50 and returns as DY1349 D 10.20.

Good news and hopefully loads will be sustainable this time.
First green shoots of a recovery? And a vote of confidence in MAN.
A resumption it is not. The previous time Norwegian flew to MAN from Bergen (BGO), not from Oslo (OSL) and the BGO flight had miserable loads. MAN is listed on the 4th place of destinations underserved from OSL, and I presume that's the reason for Norwegian will start to fly to MAN again. It is definitely not a vote of confidence for a recovery at MAN, but instead more question of differences in currency values - the pound (GBP) has lost over one quarter of its value compared with the Norwegian Kroner (NOK) the last years. In other words you will see more Norwegians traveling to the Northwest England, and I suspect a large share will be football fans. A small correction to the times One Sixty until 4 did show above:
Mondays/Wednesdays: arr. 09:50 dep. 10:20
Fridays: arr. 13:10 dep. 13:40

Some of you may want to see the difference in recovery/growth between MAN and OSL. The graph below shows the changes in 12 month rolling passenger numbers at both airports since the end of 2004. The year-on-year growth at MAN is now (at the end of May) +2.8% compared with +11.4% at OSL. In March 2010 both airports had 18.3 million passenger the previous 12 months and at the end of May this year the difference had grown to 2 million passenger per year (18.2 million vs 20.2 million). More and less the sole reason for the "recovery" at MAN is only the cancelling out of the Icelandic ash effect - the airport still hasn't reached the level they had for their 12 month rolling numbers in March 2010 (24,000 passengers are missing for that).

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Old 19th Jun 2011, 15:46
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I have heard rumours that Monarch are starting Madrid as well. Not bookable yet though but it was on wikipedia the other day.

Oh by the way is there a forum for Malaga Airport anywhere? Can't find one.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 16:43
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I have heard rumours that Monarch are starting Madrid as well. Not bookable yet though but it was on wikipedia the other day.
Likely but I'm not sure whether it will be Monarch of Air Europa operating the route. I hope the latter as it would open up even more connections throughout the Latin world.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 17:35
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LN-KGL, whilst I have no doubt the figures about MAN vs OSL growth are true and fairly accurate, the rest of your post is just drivel.

More and less the sole reason for the "recovery" at MAN is only the cancelling out of the Icelandic ash effect - the airport still hasn't reached the level they had for their 12 month rolling numbers in March 2010 (24,000 passengers are missing for that).
This is far from the truth. If the Growth is soley 'ash related', then why were passenger figures rising before the aforementioned event started to affect passenger numbers?
Also, are you also saying that as the growth is soley 'ash related', that the new EK flight, new QR flight, new TP flight, the 6th based easyjet unit, the new Ryanair flights, a new based Jet2 unit and upgrade from B733 to B738 on some routes, as well as increases across the board from the likes of BD/AA and so on are having ZERO effect on MAN?

Yes, I will agree that the overall pax figure is still down from 2007 levels, but, rome wasnt built in a day and its going to take time to build back up again. We cant just click our fingers and it be back to 2007 levels overnight. Theres also events out of MAN's control that have hit our pax figures, such as XL going belly up, the big 4 charter ops merging into 2, and the smaller carriers also going belly up such as Eurocypria, Turkuaz and Kibris. These dont exactly help matters.

Also, worth noting is that yes, the 12 month rolling pax figure is still not as high as once was, but, it is in the + figures for the first time in ages, so, its going in the right direction.

Things will still pick up though. We have easyjet confirming based unit number 7, as well as promising further growth. Ryanair have said they will still grow at MAN, Jet2 have announced 4 new routes which presumably means another based unit as only a 2 weekly REU has been dropped for 2012 so far. That with Air Asia X confirming MAN is on their radar, the new Norweigan service, the 2nd daily Etihad in August, growth from Monarch in 2012 and Tunisair going year round to MIR. It all helps.

So, not quite the doom and gloom. As a last bit, with the reductions in pax numbers at STN still going down, combined with the above increases at MAN, I would not be at all surprised if MAN reaches number 3 for busiest UK airport again this year.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 21:35
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This is far from the truth. If the Growth is soley 'ash related', then why were passenger figures rising before the aforementioned event started to affect passenger numbers?
Also, are you also saying that as the growth is soley 'ash related', that the new EK flight, new QR flight, new TP flight, the 6th based easyjet unit, the new Ryanair flights, a new based Jet2 unit and upgrade from B733 to B738 on some routes, as well as increases across the board from the likes of BD/AA and so on are having ZERO effect on MAN?
Did the passenger numbers rise before the ash clouds came? As far as I see the last positive growth was in May 2008 before the April 2010 events. The graph below shows these monthly changes and the first growth came in October 2010 after a more an less constant decline since the Spring of 2007.



The growth numbers since October 2010 has been like this:
October 2010 +28,996 passengers
November 2010 +21,924 passengers
December 2010 +18,822 passengers
January 2011 +62,552 passengers
February 2011 +39,011 passengers
March 2011 -44,809 passengers
April 2011 +351,352 passengers (+50,000 with ash effect subtracted)
May 2011 +160,106 passengers (+60,000 with ash effect subtracted)

The trend line in the graph takes in to effect the ash and shows a too low bottom and also a way too positive prognosis for June. It seems like around 300,000 passengers were affected in April 2010 and around 100,000 passengers and this must be subtracted from April and May this year to find the real growth. So the real growth now based on this last 8 months performance is around +2%. On a forum with dark bluegreen background colour I predicted some few months ago that MAN will end up with around 3% real growth for 2011. Translated in passenger numbers will this give around 18.6 million in 2011 (included the 400,000 no-ash-effect passengers).

The real problem for MAN has been to replace the charter segment that is in decline with LCCs. The nearby LPL and LBA have both profited on this.



It is indeed more complex than looking into one segment with a short time horizon. The start of the decline in domestic passengers fits like hand in glow with the sale of BACon to flybe. The growth by Emirates more and less equals out the decline at BA to LHR and LGW. In other words, many passengers select Emirates in stead of BA (London Airways) for long haul destinations to the east.

The decline in passenger numbers between January 2005 and today for the charter and the domestic segment has been 4.7 million passengers, and only 2 million of these has been replace with "new" scheduled international passengers. The decline in domestic passengers versus the growth in scheduled intl. doesn't give a correct picture, but is partly a result of long haul passengers trying to bypass the two London airports.
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