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Incorrect Jamie.
Monarch were doing charter work on behalf another company (Thomas Cook I believe) so the fact that Ryanair were operating that route would mean that they 'crushed' that charterer, not Monarch.
Monarch were doing charter work on behalf another company (Thomas Cook I believe) so the fact that Ryanair were operating that route would mean that they 'crushed' that charterer, not Monarch.
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Yes but Dublin isn't Knock. MON also operated from SNN aswell.
Dublin has being head to head the charters for a long time compared to Knock. This was the first time this happon in Knock.
Ryanair operated from Kerry and Knock in 2010 and makes up for some of the SNN traffic but people still had to travel to Dublin.
THere was a reduction in chartered flights from Dublin in 2010 but there will be a big incrase in 2011.
Look at it this way:
MON - SNN - FARO 2010 A320
May - 97% load factor
June - 97% load factor
July - 99% load factor
August - 96% load factor
September - 85% load factor
2010 Knock - Faro was running with about 65% - 70% load factor. (A320)
Compared to a A321 on the route in 2009 with load factors between 90% - 98%.
Thats why SNN will have a A321 on the route next summer and Knock a B733.
Ryanair had a big affect on the route.
Dublin has being head to head the charters for a long time compared to Knock. This was the first time this happon in Knock.
Ryanair operated from Kerry and Knock in 2010 and makes up for some of the SNN traffic but people still had to travel to Dublin.
THere was a reduction in chartered flights from Dublin in 2010 but there will be a big incrase in 2011.
Look at it this way:
MON - SNN - FARO 2010 A320
May - 97% load factor
June - 97% load factor
July - 99% load factor
August - 96% load factor
September - 85% load factor
2010 Knock - Faro was running with about 65% - 70% load factor. (A320)
Compared to a A321 on the route in 2009 with load factors between 90% - 98%.
Thats why SNN will have a A321 on the route next summer and Knock a B733.
Ryanair had a big affect on the route.
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I am surprised that no-one has raised this Monarch reasserts commitment to indy ops despite ditching Olympic - ttglive as yet.
250,000 seats is a massive number - I reckon it's the equivalent of four fully laden A300 flights every day throughout the summer season (and they have four A300s which don't work that hard). A little bit of 757 flying to Canada is not going to come close to making up that shortfall in activity across the whole fleet. Are the A300s about to disappear?
Monarch are making frequent statements that they are happy to deal with independent tour operators but their actions seem to totally contradict that. Every time they try to grow Cosmos, it ends up making huge losses and they re-trench shortly afterwards.
250,000 seats is a massive number - I reckon it's the equivalent of four fully laden A300 flights every day throughout the summer season (and they have four A300s which don't work that hard). A little bit of 757 flying to Canada is not going to come close to making up that shortfall in activity across the whole fleet. Are the A300s about to disappear?
Monarch are making frequent statements that they are happy to deal with independent tour operators but their actions seem to totally contradict that. Every time they try to grow Cosmos, it ends up making huge losses and they re-trench shortly afterwards.
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Albert.
Olympic were trying it on with tough bargaining. It came down to a level on par with gold trail and we know what happened to them. Yes it is a loss of 250,000 seats but if it looks to be unsustainable what other options is there. I say sell as many as you can to others who will pay the right price.
My opinion only with limited info.
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Olympic were trying it on with tough bargaining. It came down to a level on par with gold trail and we know what happened to them. Yes it is a loss of 250,000 seats but if it looks to be unsustainable what other options is there. I say sell as many as you can to others who will pay the right price.
My opinion only with limited info.
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250,000 seats is a massive number - I reckon it's the equivalent of four fully laden A300 flights every day throughout the summer season (and they have four A300s which don't work that hard). A little bit of 757 flying to Canada is not going to come close to making up that shortfall in activity across the whole fleet. Are the A300s about to disappear?
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Olympic were trying it on with tough bargaining
I have been monitoring the price of Monarch Scheduled prices for June 2011 on a weekly basis since they were released in September. At that time the price for 4 adults on the route that I was interested in was £959. This price was maintained until mid December when the new website with Tax-included prices was introduced and the price shot up to £1029. The current price in their 'Biggest Ever Sale' is £963 which incidentally is 28% higher than their main competitor on the route for directly equivalent services.
Now Monarch Scheduled has for some time been my airline of choice and I have been more than willing to pay that bit extra for the standard of service they provide. However, that bit extra has been getting bigger and bigger each year to the point that I now no longer consider it worthwhile. If this is typical of the pricing structure accross their route network then I have to say that I fear for their future in the low cost market.
If the same pricing situation exists in the Charter sector, then it may well be a case of Olympic showing two fingers to Monarch.
Not sure I agree with you there. Monarch have picked up the Canadian Affair Toronto 757 contract which must be a set back to TCX.
Yes, the ZB department have jacked up their fares over the last few weeks, but you do get what you pay for.
I recently was caught up in a ZB weather diversion. they were excellant. Got the aircraft refuelled & then onwards to our destination. Meanwhile the RYR & EZY diverted pax were kicking around the terminal waiting for coaches.
Also when strikes / weather & various other factors kick off, ZB will usually get you there, late maybe, but you get there. With the other well known lo co's you get your money back or a three week wait for a seat. You have to factor in if you think that is worth an extra few quid each, to me, it is.
Yes, the ZB department have jacked up their fares over the last few weeks, but you do get what you pay for.
I recently was caught up in a ZB weather diversion. they were excellant. Got the aircraft refuelled & then onwards to our destination. Meanwhile the RYR & EZY diverted pax were kicking around the terminal waiting for coaches.
Also when strikes / weather & various other factors kick off, ZB will usually get you there, late maybe, but you get there. With the other well known lo co's you get your money back or a three week wait for a seat. You have to factor in if you think that is worth an extra few quid each, to me, it is.
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No airline is obliged to take on any flying on behalf of a tour operator, and fair enough if Monarch don’t want to play ball, that’s our choice. However, announcing the outcome of negotiations in TTG seems like a bit of a desperate attempt to raise the stakes.
I’d just like to know how the Monarch group think they can make more money (or lose less money) selling Greek part charter capacity in house using their incredibly weak tour operator.
Rationale like that WAS the undoing of XL.
I’d just like to know how the Monarch group think they can make more money (or lose less money) selling Greek part charter capacity in house using their incredibly weak tour operator.
Rationale like that WAS the undoing of XL.
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Monarch A300
Monarch are going to be upgrading the a300's and putting in a business section plus other maintenance. Would G-OOOZ of Thomson airways be a good move for Monarch its up for grabs in January
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BHX/Olympic
Olympic Holidays
The BHX schedule for the IT aircraft is already starting to be filled where Olympic would have been, so it seems it is more than brinkmanship.
The short season Monday night Corfu has changed to Bodrum (not sure which operator) and the short season Saturday night Rhodes is now a Monarch schedule/Avro Palma.
Both the IT PFO's flights (Wednesday/Sunday) are now showing schedule
flight numbers but only bookable via Avro. With Cyprus Airways withdrawing from BHX no doubt Monarch will step in although this appears to with the same aircraft just changing flight numbers although the Sunday flight is at completely different times to the IT flight.
Monarch's winter timetable at BHX has held up well, no doubt helped by Baby's and Ryanair's reduced timetable.
Pete
The BHX schedule for the IT aircraft is already starting to be filled where Olympic would have been, so it seems it is more than brinkmanship.
The short season Monday night Corfu has changed to Bodrum (not sure which operator) and the short season Saturday night Rhodes is now a Monarch schedule/Avro Palma.
Both the IT PFO's flights (Wednesday/Sunday) are now showing schedule
flight numbers but only bookable via Avro. With Cyprus Airways withdrawing from BHX no doubt Monarch will step in although this appears to with the same aircraft just changing flight numbers although the Sunday flight is at completely different times to the IT flight.
Monarch's winter timetable at BHX has held up well, no doubt helped by Baby's and Ryanair's reduced timetable.
Pete