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Old 15th Mar 2010, 09:16
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I was once told (and this is a rumours network so I have no problem repeating it here) that Air France paid nothing, zilch, in landing fees etc etc @ CDG, but, if indeed true, that is not the same of course
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 11:54
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And how much has Air France had in subsidies over the years? Just another case of the French complaining about anyone other than the French getting something for nothing!
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 16:38
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World cup comes to mind
Platini head of fifa,Tierri scores with a hand ball but its ok cos 'I'm French and we are going to the World cup.........Funny really as that was against Ireland
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 16:52
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Originally Posted by captplaystation
I was once told (and this is a rumours network so I have no problem repeating it here) that Air France paid nothing, zilch, in landing fees etc etc @ CDG, but, if indeed true, that is not the same of course
If you believe that, then you haven't got a clue. If AF got so much as a whiff of a discount at CDG, BA and Lufthansa would be breaking down the door of the EU Competition Commissioner to complain - and their complaint would be upheld, toute de suite.

On the other hand it's OK for Ryanair to fly routes that would never in a million years make money under the normal rules of economics and not only have their operations subsidised by the local taxpayers, but walk away with a nice profit into the bargain.

Is Mick O'Leary just a big EU subsidy-bunny? - Business, Frontpage - Independent.ie
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 22:09
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ryanair is the most subsidised airline in europe at the moment, so at least his ceo should keep a low profile and stop his ridiculous liberal market champion positioning - well done airfrance!
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 00:19
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Tis a pity Air France doesn't have to show the funds made available under French defence budget payable yearly to ensure AF would immediately provide airlift capacity Civilian jets in event of France requiring it to move military personnel anywhere in the world at a moment notice.

At last count it was €2000 per seat for couple of hundred thousand seats...............nice little subsidy that never can be questioned in EU as its a military issue.

Then again when AF have slot controllers at Paris airports making sure no one gets in then that doesn't come under subsidy N'est Pas ?
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 08:45
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Evidence Please?
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 13:31
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FR seem to be doing some flying for BA in the upcoming strike! I wonder if this will mean FR flying from LHR?! I bet 'bye bye BA' stickers are being applied to the hired aircraft as we speak......
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 16:34
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Ryanair must be hurting Air France if they are acting like this. They have no hope of proving any of this.

Ryanair are driving down the costs of travel right across Europe. Aer Lingus, British Airways, Lufthansa, Sabena and Iberia have all tried and failed to try and link their low cost model with some form of subsidy.

Air France will fail as well. I wonder how much of our taxpayers money will be spent by the European Commission investigating this on behalf of the court?
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 16:41
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The ordinary Frenchman thinks Ryanair is French and they'll do anything to support their own.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 17:21
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Air France will fail as well. I wonder how much of our taxpayers money will be spent by the European Commission investigating this on behalf of the court?
Air France is way too big to fail...
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 17:35
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Racedo, Still waiting for the evidence??
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 17:47
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AF is not the only hypocrite here. What about the Alitalia miracle? No one seems to remember any debts, the deficits probable never existed... or didn't they?
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:02
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from 22nd June AGP-VLC 5 weekly
from 1st July NRN-ZAZ 3 weekly
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:31
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There is a lot of speculation that Ryanair are to operate
the BA shuttle from Manchester over the strike period -
Anybody know anything more about this?

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Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:54
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I would not rule out heading over to Heathrow to see that - a Ryanair 737 operating a LHR-MAN shuttle flight.

What is the world coming to at all - it is getting too much for me!
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 19:39
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BA Using Ryanair aircraft

British Airways has chartered 3 Ryanair Boeing 737-800s to operate domestic flights from London Gatwick to Edinburgh (3 a Day), Glasgow (3 a Day) and Manchester (4 a Day). All three aircraft will night-stop at Gatwick and will be used on 20,21 & 22 March
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 20:11
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"Air transport and travel should never be disrupted by strike action and Ryanair has offered to assist BA in any way it can as it works against the demands of unrealistic unions," a Ryanair spokesman said.
Noted this in a Telegraph article about the strike. Ryanair actually SYMPATHISING with BA, offering help (for wet-lease cost of course) and no nasty comments! Thought O'Leary and McNamara might of retired before i saw the comment on the Ryanair.com front page

“With the Unite union and British Airways once again disrupting thousands of passengers, travellers can ensure that they avoid being caught up in BA’s strikes by switching to one of Ryanair’s strike free, guaranteed lowest fares flights.
Aah! Back to normal!
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 00:38
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Tallinn, Estonia

If Ryanair get a good deal at Tallinn then they're interested in the following routes:
  • Bergamo (no competition)
  • Gerona (Estonian fly to BCN in summer)
  • Charleroi (Estonian fly to BRU)
  • Weeze (no competition)
  • Kaunas (no competition / Estonian + airBaltic fly to VNO)
  • Oslo (Estonian + Norwegian fly to OSL)
  • Stockholm (Estonian + airBaltic fly to ARN)
  • London (Estonian fly to LGW, Easyjet fly to STN)
  • Madrid (no competition)
Ryanair is pressuring Tallinn Airport for lower airport fees :: The Baltic Course | Baltic States news & analytics
Estonion Air won't be the happiest of campers. They're already suffering from a increase in airBaltic's Estonian presence.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 13:24
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"Heathrow Tower Ryanair 9201, ILS 27L..........errrr, sorry Speedbird 9201

Ryanair crews won't know what's hit them with hour long turnarounds and jet bridges.

Also would love to see the BA passengers face when the lovely RYR cabin crew offer them a beer............at £5
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