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Transport hub needed at Durham Tees Valley
Presumably, if the public transport is inadequate, the demand is manifesting itself in excess demands for the car parking, or should I say caravan parking ?
Funny how EDI, GLA, LBA, LPL, EMA, etc. aren't in such a parlous state as MME, even though they haven't had more taxpayers £'s spent on having any rail facilities.
Funny how EDI, GLA, LBA, LPL, EMA, etc. aren't in such a parlous state as MME, even though they haven't had more taxpayers £'s spent on having any rail facilities.
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The LBA doesn't have a transport hub.If you fly from the LBA you use your own or a friends transport, a taxi or the bus.The lack of a transport hub doesn't stop nearly 3 million passengers using the airport. Peel are claiming that a lack of a transport hub is the reason that they can't compete with the likes of Newcastle and Manchester.what utter rubbish.You build your passenger base first with airlines and routes.You have to be able to fly your passengers to destination that they want to go to.Once you have sufficient numbers then it might be feasible to look at building a transport hub but that is way into the future.Unless a transport hub is sustainable then there is no way that the finance would be available.to build it.Another Peel red herring
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Passenger Figures
Wonder why no one has mentioned the passenger figures for April?
A 5.9% increase over last year.
Aberdeen a 2% increase over last year, and more passengers than Newcastle by a couple of hundred.
Amsterdam down by 4% but there must have been a charter last year, scheduled numbers down by about 200.
Alicante - 3 times more passengers than last year and Tenerife slightly down by 22 passengers.
Not too bad.
A 5.9% increase over last year.
Aberdeen a 2% increase over last year, and more passengers than Newcastle by a couple of hundred.
Amsterdam down by 4% but there must have been a charter last year, scheduled numbers down by about 200.
Alicante - 3 times more passengers than last year and Tenerife slightly down by 22 passengers.
Not too bad.
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The economy is very slightly picking up.
So maybe we need to give more credit to The government.
We all make good arm chair politicians. But look how old n ill they get and loose the youthfull optimism after a while ( Blair never did).
What needs to happen to help ALL airport's.
Two choices. Keep Apd. Raise it 2% For example for the highest passanger figure airport's.
Have a sliding scale of charges going down the airports leaderboard.
Smaller operations like Dtv Dsa Huy (quiet as Dtv aint they?).
Would pay no duty.
Or these new breed of startup airports Cambridge n Oxford et al.
A government Subsidy for domestic routes and routes to Amsterdam. Or frankfurt.
That would drive the prices down n hopefully bring in the airlines..
Give an regional development fund style payment to the struggling airport's for abfixed period of say seven to Ten years.
Hell offer Ryanair a grant from the fund to bring a few new routes ditto others such as easyJet
Then set a limit to how long rhe grant apllies.
If a route worked had high numbers thw grant would formally cease.
Now thats when it would be interesting Would Ryanair stay or go.
The government could also nationalise an airport like they did with rail.
Put in Baa. Etc .
There has to be out of the box thinking to fix this.
Its not just Dtv. Its airports all over.
If we must have apd scrap it and replace it with an air movement's tax..
How much revenue is lost from the nightly mail flights Ema is crawling all day n night with cargo flights.
Tax then..
Have a token negligiblely small Ga tax. And theb suddenly in come more revenue. .
Or scrap Apd.
Or increase the passenger fee at dtv and others by 1 or 2 pounds.
Divide that over the month and pay it to the airlines as a sweetner to come to the airport n try some routes.
Make it mandatory for such routes to the hubs to be timed to acrually allow onward connection with time to spare.
Or..
Scrap
Apd
Passanger tax
Lobby governance
For a bailout repayble when the recovery has happened
All airports should be viable.
And network rail should partner with the airports to determine needed rail passanger and freight links.
Dtv will recover but id bet slowly but steadily.
Im honestly expecting someone like Vueling or some other new loco to come knocking
So maybe we need to give more credit to The government.
We all make good arm chair politicians. But look how old n ill they get and loose the youthfull optimism after a while ( Blair never did).
What needs to happen to help ALL airport's.
Two choices. Keep Apd. Raise it 2% For example for the highest passanger figure airport's.
Have a sliding scale of charges going down the airports leaderboard.
Smaller operations like Dtv Dsa Huy (quiet as Dtv aint they?).
Would pay no duty.
Or these new breed of startup airports Cambridge n Oxford et al.
A government Subsidy for domestic routes and routes to Amsterdam. Or frankfurt.
That would drive the prices down n hopefully bring in the airlines..
Give an regional development fund style payment to the struggling airport's for abfixed period of say seven to Ten years.
Hell offer Ryanair a grant from the fund to bring a few new routes ditto others such as easyJet
Then set a limit to how long rhe grant apllies.
If a route worked had high numbers thw grant would formally cease.
Now thats when it would be interesting Would Ryanair stay or go.
The government could also nationalise an airport like they did with rail.
Put in Baa. Etc .
There has to be out of the box thinking to fix this.
Its not just Dtv. Its airports all over.
If we must have apd scrap it and replace it with an air movement's tax..
How much revenue is lost from the nightly mail flights Ema is crawling all day n night with cargo flights.
Tax then..
Have a token negligiblely small Ga tax. And theb suddenly in come more revenue. .
Or scrap Apd.
Or increase the passenger fee at dtv and others by 1 or 2 pounds.
Divide that over the month and pay it to the airlines as a sweetner to come to the airport n try some routes.
Make it mandatory for such routes to the hubs to be timed to acrually allow onward connection with time to spare.
Or..
Scrap
Apd
Passanger tax
Lobby governance
For a bailout repayble when the recovery has happened
All airports should be viable.
And network rail should partner with the airports to determine needed rail passanger and freight links.
Dtv will recover but id bet slowly but steadily.
Im honestly expecting someone like Vueling or some other new loco to come knocking
This might be one for the rail fans out there, but could someone tell me why the train station at DTV has been put into its almost closed state ?
I understand that with few passengers, the local train firm no interest in stopping there, but the UK legal procedure for closing part of the railway network means it's simpler to just serve the station once per week and maintain the fantasy that the station remains open and served by trains - i.e. a parliamentary or ghost station.
What puzzles me, is that the station is not a branch line or terminus - even if the station was closed, the trains on the line would still have to go past DTV's train station. I accept that for a train to slow down, stop for a minute and then accelerate again takes a little bit of time and costs a little bit of money in extra fuel used, but are these extra costs really that high ? Why was DTV's train station not turned into a request stop as is the case with some stations in rural parts of Wales and Scotland ?
I understand that with few passengers, the local train firm no interest in stopping there, but the UK legal procedure for closing part of the railway network means it's simpler to just serve the station once per week and maintain the fantasy that the station remains open and served by trains - i.e. a parliamentary or ghost station.
What puzzles me, is that the station is not a branch line or terminus - even if the station was closed, the trains on the line would still have to go past DTV's train station. I accept that for a train to slow down, stop for a minute and then accelerate again takes a little bit of time and costs a little bit of money in extra fuel used, but are these extra costs really that high ? Why was DTV's train station not turned into a request stop as is the case with some stations in rural parts of Wales and Scotland ?
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So was the station put there in the first place to serve the airport?
With investment could not a Southend style terminal and apron be built by the station?
With investment could not a Southend style terminal and apron be built by the station?
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There are more stations on this line that don't get many trains stopping not long ago you could get a train to Dinsdale and then catch the bus to the airport. The whole mess was something to do with the rail privatisation. On the same track you can no longer go on the original train journey, Stockton to Darlington, you have to go via Middlesbrough.
So that's were DTVA have been going wrong - just re-develop the station, build a new terminal and apron near to it, the passengers will flood in and the airlines will be flocking to serve them.
If Peel think it's too big a risk, I'm sure there are plenty of people on Pprune ready to lend them the money....
If Peel think it's too big a risk, I'm sure there are plenty of people on Pprune ready to lend them the money....
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I vaguely remember when the new Teesside Airport halt was constructed and opened at public expense, and was served by a United single decker bus connecting to the terminal.
I also remember travelling many times on the train between Darlo and Yarm, and stopping at Teesside Airport where nobody got on or off, and said bus sat there forlornly empty.
Then the bus got binned, and the alternative of Dinsdale was tried as a sop to objectors. The privatised rail company took the view that there was no point inconveniencing all the users of the train who didn't want to go to Teesside Airport having their daily commutes interrupted by 2 or 3 minutes each way while the train pointlessly stopped there. The direct bus service from Darlo station (much faster than changing trains at Darlo for MME station plus the bus link) also failed.
The station with direct terminal bus-link failed when pax numbers were much higher and there was less access to car ownership. Why on earth would it make any difference today, with lower pax numbers, greater car ownership (and the airport having an underutilised car park) ?
And let's face it, the rail route between Darlo and Teesside conurbation is hardly an example of modern high-speed frequent inter-urban travel. It would take a damn sight more investment than just a revamped Durham Tees Valley Airport station to upgrade the entire travel experience as a genuine alternative that compares with NCL's metro service, BHX International, MAN airport, and etc stations. And for how many potential passengers per day ? There are far more deserving public transport projects in the NE looking for funding.
I also remember travelling many times on the train between Darlo and Yarm, and stopping at Teesside Airport where nobody got on or off, and said bus sat there forlornly empty.
Then the bus got binned, and the alternative of Dinsdale was tried as a sop to objectors. The privatised rail company took the view that there was no point inconveniencing all the users of the train who didn't want to go to Teesside Airport having their daily commutes interrupted by 2 or 3 minutes each way while the train pointlessly stopped there. The direct bus service from Darlo station (much faster than changing trains at Darlo for MME station plus the bus link) also failed.
The station with direct terminal bus-link failed when pax numbers were much higher and there was less access to car ownership. Why on earth would it make any difference today, with lower pax numbers, greater car ownership (and the airport having an underutilised car park) ?
And let's face it, the rail route between Darlo and Teesside conurbation is hardly an example of modern high-speed frequent inter-urban travel. It would take a damn sight more investment than just a revamped Durham Tees Valley Airport station to upgrade the entire travel experience as a genuine alternative that compares with NCL's metro service, BHX International, MAN airport, and etc stations. And for how many potential passengers per day ? There are far more deserving public transport projects in the NE looking for funding.
I think anyone who knows the place understands that it's not the facilities or public transport connections that are the problem
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Teesside Airport connections
Hi All - There was a spell where a small battery driven bus ran from the station to the Terminal. The Arriva Durham County express bus was called the 'Sky Express' pic: Arriva North East: 1762 NK05GVZ Dennis Dart SLF/Alexander | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Even after the renaming of the airport the train station has remained as Teesside Airport to this day. Cheers.
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I think they should develop it into a Pilot training hub maintenance hub, a parting out hub and cargo hub, Port is nearby good road system, and a railway line nearby . Could transform hangar 4 and old hangar by station into a air and rail museum, Could have a sim centre for the public to simulate flying different types of aircraft.... failing all that turn it into a motor racing track
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" failing all that turn it into a motor racing track"
Oh yes, the residents of Middleton St George would love that - Croft on one side and Teesside on the other !
Isn't one of MME's problems that it has NCL just up the road - replace one competitor with a nearer one - genius. However, if there's public funding for it, Peel might jump at the idea.
Oh yes, the residents of Middleton St George would love that - Croft on one side and Teesside on the other !
Isn't one of MME's problems that it has NCL just up the road - replace one competitor with a nearer one - genius. However, if there's public funding for it, Peel might jump at the idea.
Another new chief
Head of health and safety. The old saying "too many chiefs and not enough Indians come to mind". Especially ones flying in planes.
Airport appoints safety chief (From The Northern Echo)
Airport appoints safety chief (From The Northern Echo)
Now there's a thought!
Humberside Airport secures Spain flights and plans Malaga, Menorca and Faro next | This is Hull and East Riding
Stolen from the 'Humberside' thread - shows a bit of ambition, time to put your money where your mouth is?
Stolen from the 'Humberside' thread - shows a bit of ambition, time to put your money where your mouth is?