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Old 25th Apr 2013, 18:49
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My guess is July
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 19:48
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or how long the airline will last ?
They've been in business around 4 years already, and scheduled flying isn't all they do. If the scheduled experiment fails, that won't automatically mean the airline does as well
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 21:33
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It is a mystery why the airport operators don't swing in behind the likes of Minoan and Linksair with their own PR and marketing. They appear to go to great lengths to attract them in the first instance, then seem to leave them to their own devices once they have got them there.

I work in and around Oxford and occasionally pick up the local papers - I can't recall ever seeing any adverts for the airport or the airlines operating from it. There's precious little press coverage save for the odd little piece about their summer timetables etc. The commercial radio stations I listen to don't carry any ads either, AFAIK.
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Old 25th Apr 2013, 21:53
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How is Links Air going to surmount the licensing requirements on OXF-GCI by 13 May? The ATLB in Guernsey requires a couple of months to approve licenses; unless they already hold one (which I'm not aware of), this is going to be quite a struggle. Overall it seems quite bizarre to me that they have set themselves such a tight target when they could happily have launched, to much fanfare and with great preparation, in early June and still taken advantage of summer traffic.

These services will need a lot of advertising to work. The Wetdream is unfortunately not as good as its nickname in several respects; yes, it does the job but I'm not confident of its ability to make money on the routes proposed by Link Air - especially with maybe a 10 pax load per flight. IMHO they should have a 6 month prep time with some effective marketing/promotions as well as excellent lead-in fares. Obviously that requires cash in the bank, but to make this sort of operation work long-term you've got to be prepared to invest.
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Ok, I'm pro Luton but I can see no chance of any of these routes working. You need very deep pockets to start anything up and pull loads from established routes.
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Old 26th Apr 2013, 19:43
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The application for OXF-GCI was published in the local Guernsey paper earlier this week, so thinngs are obviously underway, however the ATLB are not known for speedy decisions...
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Old 26th Apr 2013, 22:43
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Lots of people with lots of lolly in the vicinity, also LHR is a major PIA to get to from the sticks. Never say never.
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Old 26th Apr 2013, 22:54
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May I be so bold as to enquire why it takes so long for a route like OXF-GCI to be approved ? Assuming the airline is financially stable with ample cash and operates sensibly, I would struggle to see an obvious reason to turn Links down if they were going for a start in mid June rather than early May

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Old 29th Apr 2013, 08:48
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Anybody near a window knows what the LF is today?
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Why not open a window yourself? This is a live video webcam view:

wencam.oxfordairport.co.uk

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Old 29th Apr 2013, 18:36
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dead pan, Oxford airport is no mere ten minute walk from the city center
I was talking about Oxford's train station (at least I think I was). Check my post and the one before.

Not sure what the Reuben brothers' game plan is either. Maybe it provides them with some sort of, ahem, tax advantage? They are clearly investing in it, however there's precious little point having a nice shiny airport with new terminal, radar etc if there's this seemingly constant turnover of airline operators. It doesn't exactly reassure the travelling public, knowing that a route may only be running for a few months before it is pulled. Business and GA work well; they just can't seem to get any traction with airlines for whatever reason.
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Oxford Airport Boosts Business Flights With Long-Distance Travel - Bloomberg

London Oxford Airport has more than doubled the number of departing business flights since 2006, making it the U.K.’s fifth-largest hub for corporate travelers, ahead of Stansted and London City Airport.

Daily business aviation departures rose to an average of 8.1 in 2012, compared with 3.2 in 2006, the airport said in a statement today, citing figures from Eurocontrol. More than 5,900 corporate flights flew to and from the airport last year, compared with 24,674 at London’s Luton airport, the top U.K. airport for business flights.

London Oxford has sought to attract larger business jets by adding ground-handling equipment, boosting its fire and rescue capabilities and increasing the licensed take-off distances of the runway. The addition of two Global Express jets by Hangar 8 Plc (HGR8), formerly based at the U.K.’s second-largest corporate hub, Farnborough, has added cities like Chicago and Mumbai to its charter destinations.

“These aircraft bring the wider world to Oxford’s front door,” James Dillon-Godfray, the airport’s development director, said in the statement.

Located about 11 kilometers (6.8 miles) north of Oxford and about 100 kilometers from central London, the airport was rebranded as London Oxford Airport in 2009.

Biggin Hill and Northolt were third and fourth in 2012 in corporate flights, according to Eurocontrol’s OneSky Database.
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I had a dig at another spotters forum, a hell of alot of Pipers, Cessna & other turboprops listed as movements with the odd other biz-jet. Do we know the breakdown of these figures? I feel it is a little misleading as PR.
Just because you log a flight plan with Euro-control to go through controlled airspace is this what we call a 'business flight'?
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In the USA most business flights are in Cessna's etc etc and turboprops - only a minority of businesses operate jets for obvious cost reasons
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Eurocontrol define the business aviation sector by the following aircraft types (ICAO designations). Those that are airliners normally, but used in a general aviation role are identified as 'Business Aviation' in their statistics:

AC TYPE ICAO CODEE55PGSPNDJETCRJ2GLF6HA4TG150HDJTE135E145ASTRBE10BE20BE30BE40BE55BE56BE58BE90BE9LBE9TC208C25AC25BC25CC340C411C414C421C425C441C500C501C510C525C550C551C560C56XC650C680C750CL30CL60DA10DA20DA50DA90E50PEA50F2THF900FA10FA20FA50FA7XGALXGIIGIIIGIVGL5TGLEXGLF2GLF3GLF4GLF5GULFH25AH25BH25CHF20HRZNHS12HS25JCOML29AL29BLJ23LJ24LJ25LJ28LJ31LJ35LJ40LJ45LJ55LJ60LR25LR31LR36LR55LR60MU30P180P31TPA31PA42PA44PA46PAY2PAY3PAY4PAYEPC12PL12PRM1S600S601SBR1SBR2SJ30TB70TBM7WW23
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Old 3rd May 2013, 15:22
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OXF sees its 'Business Aviation' roughly split one third turboprops (King Airs, Cheyennes etc.) and two thirds jets. None of that includes the new airliner activity which comes under commercial ops under the Eurocontrol definitions.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 15:36
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Blueskynews published that story too and added the table comparing all the London region airports since the 2007 business aviation peak which showed (average daily business aviation departures):

NAME20072012% Change Since 2007 Peak Year

LONDON/LUTON43.133.8-21.58%FARNBOROUGH32.426.2-19.14%BIGGIN HILL18.115.2-16.02%NORTHOLT10.410.61.92%OXFORD/KIDLINGTON4.18.197.56%LONDON/CITY18.37.7-57.92%LONDON/STANSTED9.17.2-20.88%CAMBRIDGE3.22.8-12.50%LONDON/GATWICK2.72.5-7.41%LONDON/HEATHROW3.42.2-35.29%SOUTHEND2.71.6-40.74%CRANFIELD1.41.1-21.43%LYDD (LONDON ASHFORD)0.50.620.00%MANSTON-KENT0.80.5-37.50%

TOTAL FOR LONDON REGION
150120
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Old 3rd May 2013, 21:24
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Just to be fair, having been critical of the lack of advertising by Minoan in previous posts, a number of Oxford buses are now carrying adverts for the airline. They have also been advertising for Fokker 50 engineers based at Oxford in the last few weeks.
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Old 15th May 2013, 20:14
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6 pax today highest in 13 dayside?
No local marketing
Very odd set up one flight had ZERO pax last week
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Any advertising at the DUB or EDI end? Product awareness is everything!
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