OXFORD/KIDLINGTON

[tarnehat]

I haven't read it, but it's not manx2 getting someone with bigger aircraft in is it?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by The SSK

Quote:
A series of meetings with European airports resulted in achieving favourable incentives that will enhance the cost effectiveness of the operation.

Let's hope they aren't in breach of EU State Aid guidelines.

At least two of the airports on the destination list were unaware that they were in the network (indeed, had apparently never even been approached by the airline) until the press release this morning. (I know because I spoke to them today at the Routes conference.) You can imagine that when the first contact from the airline is an announcement that they are going to fly to your airport, you are not particularly motivated (or compelled) to consider offering incentives.

I would imagine that their main base is a different story (indeed the quote you cite does not explicitly say that more than one airport offered incentives), but as a privately owned airport it is not subject to EC State Aid guidelines.

C.

PS I would guesstimate the block time for OXF-MUC or OXF-CPH to be about 2 hours 40 min. That length of time in an F50 is just not a happy-passenger prescription.

[EMB-145LR]

Nothing announced on the Oxford Airport web site so far. Oxford were apparently in talks with much more established airlines to cover a few of these routes (Aer Arann for DUB and Loganair for EDI apparently). Are the airport behind this move?

[Buster the Bear]

The mini Tinminal is so small, never cope with multiple FK50 arrivals and departures.

[davidjohnson6]

How did Oxford cope with Baboo flying to Geneva ?

[harriewillem]

All the best to them...

All flights even to AMS outbound OXF you can't take 50Y due to performance restrictions.

On top of that CPH / MUC is +/- 2H45 what means pax restriction around 30Y / 35Y pending luggage on the outbound flight.

Take a hot day in summer and it will be even worse...

[Phileas Fogg]

Take a contaminated (wet) runway and/or a 'still air' day and it gets even worse

[EMB-145LR]

I thought that Oxford now had an official runway length of 1,552m? Compare that London City which on has 1,508m and I fail to see why Oxford can't take a full Fokker 50 on it's shorter routes? VLM never seem to have had any problems out of City.

[nivsy]

I cannot recall the flight duration but I did LCY-MUC on a Dash 8 a couple of years ago.

It was a delight....great leg room and proper breakfast in china plates with proper coffee and even wine in proper wine glasses - all in economy.

What ever happened to that service - to good to be true - probably was and was pulled.

I would be happy to fly Dash 8 to MUC

[Phileas Fogg]

A Dash 8, indeed a Bombardier Q300/Q400, ain't a revamped F27 of 1950's design!

[tczulu]

Well,me and Mrs TCZ flew on the Denim Air Fk50,subbing for Flybes Dash from IOM to BHX back in July,and actually found it just as good. Seemed quieter but that might have just been seat position.I'm in ATC,so do appreciate the performance difference.

[Expressflight]

Looking at the Type A chart I can't see any problem with operating the F50 on the routes in question, let alone to AMS as has been suggested. The runway is also grooved so is unlikely to be declared 'contaminated' except in extreme rainfall conditions.

[Phileas Fogg]

Of course there won't be any performance problems operating these F50's in/out of Oxford/Kidlington (forget the London/Oxford nonsense) because they'll be operating with passenger loads of single figures and will probably only last a season if that.

[Alex757]

Wow ... that's bizarre ... a Greek carrier operating from Oxford, to other EU destinations (not Greece)

I agree with some of the points made, about how a long flight in a f50 would be unpleasant.

Minoan only have 4 aircraft, and had I not read about them in Airliner World, I doubt I would of known of their existence. So you are right about marketing, they really will have to pull out all the stops.

[Whirlygig]

that's bizarre ... a Greek carrier operating from Oxford,

The irony's not lost on me, either

Cheers

Whirls

[learjet50]

Oxford

It will never happen in a Million years all pie in the sky again

I think we have been here before re Oxford

Lovely little Airport but its a G A Airport Its not London Oxford .


Greek Airline operating from UK with Fokker 50s NO


Sked flights to EU in a Turbo Prop NO



Sorry Oxford its not worked before and it wont again with the exception of Manx 2 ????

[davidjohnson6]

Partly out of curiosity, yesterday (12 Oct) afternoon I thought that it might be interesting to ask Oxford airport what their view was on commercial flights starting to Dublin, Amsterdam and Edinburgh - I didn't bother mentioning Copenhagen or Munich so as to keep it relatively modest. The answer I received was:

Thank you for your enquiry, but at the moment nothing has been decided but if you look on our website any future plans will be on there.

Hope Minoan and Oxford are getting on well...

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "Secondly, are they going to come up with some different branding for the UK operation? Minoan Air doesn't immediately make me think of an airline operating from Oxford to Edinburgh or Oxford to Dublin! They're going to need quite a bit of marketing to succeed, and without any interlining agreements in Europe, I think they may struggle on the Munich, Amsterdam and Copenhagen routes."

How does "British Minoan" sound?

Quote: "Of course there won't be any performance problems operating these F50's in/out of Oxford/Kidlington (forget the London/Oxford nonsense) because they'll be operating with passenger loads of single figures and will probably only last a season if that."

Quite right: Oxford-Kidlington. "London-Oxford" is a lot of nonsense. FR have a lot to answer for!

[dead_pan]

I hope this new MD hasn't gone too early with his announcement. Echoes of Farcity and all that.

Always thought it would be a good plan to feed in to other European hubs on the near continent like Schipol or possibly CDG, but Munich and Copnhagen is pushing it a bit especially on something like a F50.

[Whirlygig]

I hope this new MD hasn't gone too early with his announcement.

Er .... Her announcement????

Cheers

Whirls