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It seems Minoan pulled out because of a row with management at Kidlington.
Minoan Air pulls out of Oxford Airport after row with management (From Oxford Mail)
Minoan Air pulls out of Oxford Airport after row with management (From Oxford Mail)
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6000 pax on 500 flights - eeek. Average 12 pax on a 50 seat aircraft.
This whole thing must surely have been some kind of "accounting vehicle" to allow them to run up some costs in an EU country outside Greece, or something similar.
However I hear tourism in Crete is booming this year so maybe they have something better to go back to - and good luck to them, there was never anything for them here.
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This whole thing must surely have been some kind of "accounting vehicle" to allow them to run up some costs in an EU country outside Greece, or something similar.
However I hear tourism in Crete is booming this year so maybe they have something better to go back to - and good luck to them, there was never anything for them here.
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@ The Best Protector - yes RFFS CAT is increased at times when the MAV F50 operates. Fire CAT is often increased to accommodate the larger biz jets as well as the commercial operators
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Not convinced if adding capacity on two of the busiest city pairs (LON-DUB and LON-EDI) was such a good idea bearing in mind that DUB and EDI are already linked to most "London" airports (including LHR, the nearest to OXF) by various different carriers.
If trying to attract business from beyond the immediate Oxford area, should they have looked at destinations not available from LHR such as INV, JER, LPL, NQY, etc. and/or destinations that can be awkward rail or road journeys, like NWI?
Either way, new startups need to be promoted and heavily adverised, that much, at least, should be obvious.
If trying to attract business from beyond the immediate Oxford area, should they have looked at destinations not available from LHR such as INV, JER, LPL, NQY, etc. and/or destinations that can be awkward rail or road journeys, like NWI?
Either way, new startups need to be promoted and heavily adverised, that much, at least, should be obvious.
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A new unknown operator, flying from an airport that people are not aware that it offers pax flights, without any advertising....
Afraid that I TOLD YOU SO is the only answer.... The only surprise is that they had the balls (money) to do it for so long.... The only thing I did not expect was the ending.. by blocking in the aircraft and few remaining passengers...
Afraid that I TOLD YOU SO is the only answer.... The only surprise is that they had the balls (money) to do it for so long.... The only thing I did not expect was the ending.. by blocking in the aircraft and few remaining passengers...
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Quote: "A new unknown operator, flying from an airport that people are not aware that it offers pax flights, without any advertising...."
A bit reminiscent of Brighton City Airways' ESH-POX route which lasted for just a few weeks earlier this year.
A bit reminiscent of Brighton City Airways' ESH-POX route which lasted for just a few weeks earlier this year.
Frank - you are being unfair on Brighton City Airways. They lasted much longer than a few weeks. They lasted 2 months !
Commercially both Brighton City and Minoan may have been a disaster, but I have reservations about criticising these start-ups too much - if it wasn't for those entrpreneurs who are willing to put up their cash and give it a go, then the larger airlines of Europe would be much more slow moving and stodgy. A company can subscribe to the latest and greatest management theories, but ultimately fear (of competition) and greed (for cash) is what drives shareholders and senior managers - the possibility of entrepreneurs setting up in competition keeps those basal emotions alive. The losses by a small entrepreneur may be measurable and observable - but the gains through competition from increased efficiency by a much larger rival may well be both much larger and also impossible to measure or observe publicy.
At the very least, Minoan have shown that there is potential demand for an Oxford-Edinburgh route (CAA stats show with very little public advertising they managed 14 pax per flight in June) - it just needs an airline with a 50-seater and better marketing to get it going.
Commercially both Brighton City and Minoan may have been a disaster, but I have reservations about criticising these start-ups too much - if it wasn't for those entrpreneurs who are willing to put up their cash and give it a go, then the larger airlines of Europe would be much more slow moving and stodgy. A company can subscribe to the latest and greatest management theories, but ultimately fear (of competition) and greed (for cash) is what drives shareholders and senior managers - the possibility of entrepreneurs setting up in competition keeps those basal emotions alive. The losses by a small entrepreneur may be measurable and observable - but the gains through competition from increased efficiency by a much larger rival may well be both much larger and also impossible to measure or observe publicy.
At the very least, Minoan have shown that there is potential demand for an Oxford-Edinburgh route (CAA stats show with very little public advertising they managed 14 pax per flight in June) - it just needs an airline with a 50-seater and better marketing to get it going.
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Funny Stuff Going on
I would not take too much notice of The Oxford Times, their reporting is questionable at the best of times; especially if they are reporting on the airport.
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Commercially both Brighton City and Minoan may have been a disaster, but I have reservations about criticising these start-ups too much - if it wasn't for those entrpreneurs who are willing to put up their cash and give it a go, then the larger airlines of Europe would be much more slow moving and stodgy.
Yeah right, and I guess Aer Lingus's and Ryanair's revenues took a tumble when another tin-pot outfit with Fokkers started a DUB route out of Kidlington?
Way too funny
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You mean the directors of British Airways, Air France, Easyjet, to name but three, had underpants turning a shade of brown because some tin-pot outfit had started operating Shoreham-by-Sea to Pontoise with a Let410?
Yeah right, and I guess Aer Lingus's and Ryanair's revenues took a tumble when another tin-pot outfit with Fokkers started a DUB route out of Kidlington?
Yeah right, and I guess Aer Lingus's and Ryanair's revenues took a tumble when another tin-pot outfit with Fokkers started a DUB route out of Kidlington?
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Minoan very quietly ended their flights from Kidlington last night. Anyone know how the loads were in the final weeks? Any sign of a replacement? I know Oxford and Aer Arann were very close to finalising things when Minoan announced their expansion into Oxford.
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But is there any actual evidence to suggest that Aer Arran were close to finalising a deal at Oxford or was it just a rumour in the first place!
I would think it was the latter.
I would think it was the latter.