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Norwegian/ryanair
Norwegian was looking at NCL to do CPH and a range of Spanish routes ALC,AGP,PMI etc.
Airport said no due to upsetting SAS!
However if they could do Oslo or Bergan and a couple of others maybe but they said no.
Bit like Ryanair they go after routes where money can be made before any risks.
However it looks like the airport is now willing to work with Ryanair and allowing the Spanish routes so maybe they will work with Norwegian too but can't see it happening very soon.
It's going to be a very interesting few years
Airport said no due to upsetting SAS!
However if they could do Oslo or Bergan and a couple of others maybe but they said no.
Bit like Ryanair they go after routes where money can be made before any risks.
However it looks like the airport is now willing to work with Ryanair and allowing the Spanish routes so maybe they will work with Norwegian too but can't see it happening very soon.
It's going to be a very interesting few years
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Personally NCL would need their head looking at if they let Norwegian in on ALC, AGP etc. now... Absolute bloodbath! I know ALC is popular but 5 airlines (who all offer EXACTLY the same to the customer - although Norwegian could be top of the pile for service/value for money) is definitely overkill
Would SAS never consider Oslo? Surely with connections there must be something there
Would SAS never consider Oslo? Surely with connections there must be something there
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...the airport is now willing to work with Ryanair and allowing the Spanish routes...
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The airport have no jurisdiction on who goes where. This is not a banana republic. In the EU, any EU airline can go wherever and whenever they wish. The airport may provide some form of economic "honeymoon" but unless they want to face the wrath of established operators, this will have to on a measured basis.
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As a result some airports with high number /%age of Ryanair flights for example have low profits.
Newcastle maintain a balance of approx. 1/3rd each of Full Service Carriers / Leisure Charters (TOM/TCX etc..) / LCC (EZY/LS/FR), which keeps a healthy profitable business model.
I guess NIA don't "refuse" carriers, but they will not waive charges for LCCs when Full service and carriers who are prepared to pay airport charges, flying to the same destination would then incur higher costs and possibly withdraw. Norwegian may want too much from NIA to start services. Lot of history re. Ryanair in the past telling airports to drop their charges or they would withdraw services. NCL have a healthy mix, with opportunities for airlines to start services and pay the airport their due fees.
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Yes lots of history between airport and Ryanair...
Let's hope it's Ryanair that has backed down and is paying the going price to operate these flights so it's fair on the rest of them.
Ryanair had a history of being the bullies and reducing flights and pulling out unless they get better deals
Wasn't the plan a few years ago that one of there planes was going to do the following but never happened someone found slots I think somewhere
Oslo-ncl-Stockholm-ncl-Oslo ???
Remember the numbers being along the lines of FR3133/4/5/6
Let's hope it's Ryanair that has backed down and is paying the going price to operate these flights so it's fair on the rest of them.
Ryanair had a history of being the bullies and reducing flights and pulling out unless they get better deals
Wasn't the plan a few years ago that one of there planes was going to do the following but never happened someone found slots I think somewhere
Oslo-ncl-Stockholm-ncl-Oslo ???
Remember the numbers being along the lines of FR3133/4/5/6
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Alicante etc
Just look at gatwick there could be room for all the airlines to operate to the same place I.e ALICANTE
Charters - TOM,TCX,MON
lCC - EZY,FR,VY,DY
if the same can work outside London is the big question. Manchester and EDI airports are starting to look interesting with them all competing on the same routes.
Charters - TOM,TCX,MON
lCC - EZY,FR,VY,DY
if the same can work outside London is the big question. Manchester and EDI airports are starting to look interesting with them all competing on the same routes.
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I just thought today that with the recent downsizing of almost every aircraft by each airline based at NCL (except EZY) and the lack of increased frequencies (Except LS for S16) there might actually be room for all of this, and that probably explains why there's been constant decreases all throughout Summer 2015 on popular routes, there are much less seats available. Between creating demand and covering the losses of fleet modernisation I think Ryanair have made a good move.
But I wish they'd spread it a bit more... FR might have filled some holes, and good on them for doing so they must have positive forward bookings to grow ALC x3-5 weekly so quick and to start AGP on a healthy x4 but as I've said before I'd love to see some new routes and I hope that if there is more to come from Ryanair, it is to some more "exotic" i.e unserved destinations
But I wish they'd spread it a bit more... FR might have filled some holes, and good on them for doing so they must have positive forward bookings to grow ALC x3-5 weekly so quick and to start AGP on a healthy x4 but as I've said before I'd love to see some new routes and I hope that if there is more to come from Ryanair, it is to some more "exotic" i.e unserved destinations
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I take back the praise I gave Ryanair the other day for Malaga route. I cannot see many people wanting to get up at 3-4am on the last day of holiday for flight home. It's bad enough on the outbound with EasyJet and Jet2 but no chance on way back too.
You can expect those timings on a package trip to Turkey, Sharm or Canaries but not Malaga where passengers tend to be second home owners or those on short weekend breaks. Senseless!
You can expect those timings on a package trip to Turkey, Sharm or Canaries but not Malaga where passengers tend to be second home owners or those on short weekend breaks. Senseless!
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I don't think it's senseless - someone has got to be first and last of the day, and I'd prefer to have it than not. I guarantee that if the price is right, then people won't have an issue getting up that early on what will predominantly be a holiday flight. If people have got the money to own a second home then they've probably got the money to be more selective with flights and look elsewhere - most don't, so cost will beat timings.
People will get up at 3-4 in the morning, I used to get the Alicante flight from DTVA and it was always quite full. With the early outbound you get a longer day at the start. The other option would be to book the return with one of the other operators.
If you know the AGP market well you'll know that actually demand is very high for morning services. A large proportion of AGP flights ex UK do tend to leave in the morning due to this reason. There is also demand incidentally for early departures ex AGP which has seen nightstopping aircraft in the past from both BA/GT and U2.
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easyJet @ NCL
U2 summer schedule released today. A check for August reveals:
Split: Tue Sat
Rhodes: Sat
Corfu: Sun
Geneva: Sun Mon Wed Fri
Jersey: Mon Tue Wed Sat
Barcelona: Mon Wed Thu Fri Sun
Malaga: Daily ex Sun
Faro: Wed Fri Sat Sun
Alicante: Daily ex Sat
Palma: Daily
Malta: Tue Sat
Nice: Tue Thu Sat
Belfast: 18 weekly (this must be an increase?)
Bristol: 11 weekly (Monday only possible day return)
Aircraft: 1 A320, 2 A319. Approximately 24,000 seats per week during the summer peak.
Split: Tue Sat
Rhodes: Sat
Corfu: Sun
Geneva: Sun Mon Wed Fri
Jersey: Mon Tue Wed Sat
Barcelona: Mon Wed Thu Fri Sun
Malaga: Daily ex Sun
Faro: Wed Fri Sat Sun
Alicante: Daily ex Sat
Palma: Daily
Malta: Tue Sat
Nice: Tue Thu Sat
Belfast: 18 weekly (this must be an increase?)
Bristol: 11 weekly (Monday only possible day return)
Aircraft: 1 A320, 2 A319. Approximately 24,000 seats per week during the summer peak.
Last edited by HeartyMeatballs; 23rd Oct 2015 at 14:29.