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De-icing can cost upto £7/litre depending on the fluid and mix used. 21,000 does sound a bit excessive though - I suspect there are one too many zero's there. I dispatched a 737 a few days ago and 1860 litres were used for that, which, I'm told is quite a lot for a 737.
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I watched them use almost 1300 litres on a Dash last week! I know because I say the chit and the captain thought that the 1 in front of the 300 must have been a mistake. Airline Services it would seem do not adhere to the old philosophy of de ICING and not de SNOWing as they dont have a brush in the bucket! That's one way to make a wedge!
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But strangely no adverse comment on what (from your location) happened at your home base LGW over the last few days?
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21000 litres to de-ice a widebody at MAN. Unnecessary but highly profitable. Investigation is underway for excessive administration of de-icing fluids at MAN in the past 4 days.The whole matter stinks
He has every right to complain, no body seems to be bothered that the powers that be at Manchester caused this shambles of frozen stands etc etc by using watered down de-icer to try and save money.
Everybody seems to be concentrating on how fantastic the clean up effort has been and how everyone has mucked in, but the fact remains....if we had done the job correctly in the first place we would be in this mess, someones head need's to roll.
He has every right to complain, no body seems to be bothered that the powers that be at Manchester caused this shambles of frozen stands etc etc by using watered down de-icer to try and save money.
Everybody seems to be concentrating on how fantastic the clean up effort has been and how everyone has mucked in, but the fact remains....if we had done the job correctly in the first place we would be in this mess, someones head need's to roll.
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Regardless of who or what is to blame, the most important thing now is to learn from the experience, all those involved can now call themselves experts in snow clearance. Hopefully if it happens again soon, everyone should be highly efficient. If the story is true about deicer dilution calculations then those responsibe should at least get a bollocking and sent to physics and chemistry classes at night school 
Just an observation, we have a lovely cleared car park at the cargo centre, dont suppose there has been any effort to return us to dual runway ops or are we waiting for spring ?
Just an observation, we have a lovely cleared car park at the cargo centre, dont suppose there has been any effort to return us to dual runway ops or are we waiting for spring ?
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Regardless of whether the airport needs the runway capacity or not, R2 should be returned to full availability ASAP.
What happens if we have a runway blockage ?
Manchester would close again ! when it doesnt have to.
MAG stop penny pinching at give the operators a decent facility that they can trust to be open in all circumstances.
What happens if we have a runway blockage ?
Manchester would close again ! when it doesnt have to.
MAG stop penny pinching at give the operators a decent facility that they can trust to be open in all circumstances.
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I guess today is probably a good day start as it is above freezing and not snowing
so probably most will have melted away by tonight just in time for it to snow tomorrow
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so probably most will have melted away by tonight just in time for it to snow tomorrow
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Have seen in the past amounts of 20,000 plus for de-icing. However very, very rare and the last case was on a B747 which had not been anti-iced.
Was hit by slush/rain which then frooze. Then followed by snow and freezing temps. Result a big igloo.
Not many brave souls with all the H & S these days will get on wings etc to sweep. So you have got to blast the top later of ice followed by the snow level to get down to the ice back below. It is a big job and as most rigs will only hold 12,000 litres so it is a long job. Certainly got the airline bean counters attention when the invoice arrived.
Only other alternative is to wait till it starts to thaw or the sun comes up and keep turning the aircraft into the sun (has been done before when no fluid available). Of course you need clean stands to get a tug attached another story.
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Was hit by slush/rain which then frooze. Then followed by snow and freezing temps. Result a big igloo.
Not many brave souls with all the H & S these days will get on wings etc to sweep. So you have got to blast the top later of ice followed by the snow level to get down to the ice back below. It is a big job and as most rigs will only hold 12,000 litres so it is a long job. Certainly got the airline bean counters attention when the invoice arrived.
Only other alternative is to wait till it starts to thaw or the sun comes up and keep turning the aircraft into the sun (has been done before when no fluid available). Of course you need clean stands to get a tug attached another story.
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Having seen the amount of snow on 23L/05R first hand I think they might leave it to the natural thaw !!, that said do we have enough de-icing fluid to keep two runways operable, if so why havnt they cleared the remaining taxi-ways ???
Infact just noticed that they have released another notam stating 23L/05R will remain closed until at least Thursday, along with....
TWY LINKS JULIET ALPHA, FOXTROT, DELTA AND ALPHA GOLF CLOSED DUE TO
SURFACES CONTAMINATED WITH ICE AND FROZEN SNOW. 11 JAN 12:15 2010 UNTIL 12 JAN
17:00 2010. CREATED: 11 JAN 12:16 2010
How long does this stuff take to clear ??? been a week now !!!!
Infact just noticed that they have released another notam stating 23L/05R will remain closed until at least Thursday, along with....
TWY LINKS JULIET ALPHA, FOXTROT, DELTA AND ALPHA GOLF CLOSED DUE TO
SURFACES CONTAMINATED WITH ICE AND FROZEN SNOW. 11 JAN 12:15 2010 UNTIL 12 JAN
17:00 2010. CREATED: 11 JAN 12:16 2010
How long does this stuff take to clear ??? been a week now !!!!
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Gets worse when it rains on top of it like it did yesterday just turns into solid ice
The road round corner from me would have been suitable for dancing on ice last night
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The road round corner from me would have been suitable for dancing on ice last night
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Runway 2 will be left to thaw without assistance from de-icer. Having not been touched since the Tuesday's deluge and all the compacted ice beneath it may do more harm than good clearing it.
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Runway 2 will be left to thaw without assistance from de-icer. Having not been touched since the Tuesday's deluge and all the compacted ice beneath it may do more harm than good clearing it.
More harm than using the watered down de-icing fluid that has got us in this mess in the first place ????
Someone has to face answers....
More harm than using the watered down de-icing fluid that has got us in this mess in the first place ????
Someone has to face answers....
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Runway 2 will be left to thaw without assistance from de-icer. Having not been touched since the Tuesday's deluge and all the compacted ice beneath it may do more harm than good clearing it.
Not correct, as the snow brushes are out there now !!
Maybe MAG reads this thread ?
Not correct, as the snow brushes are out there now !!
Maybe MAG reads this thread ?
Think you'll find MAG does read here 
But doesn't neccesarily decide what to do based on the musings written
Only those links used during LVPs are being kept clear.
OK ... for the curious .... if you follow this link you'll see the current MAN Winter Ops Document which is a supppliment to the Aerodrome Manual
MAG World - Winter Operations Plan (Snow Plan)
But doesn't neccesarily decide what to do based on the musings written
Only those links used during LVPs are being kept clear.
OK ... for the curious .... if you follow this link you'll see the current MAN Winter Ops Document which is a supppliment to the Aerodrome Manual
MAG World - Winter Operations Plan (Snow Plan)
Last edited by 42psi; 12th Jan 2010 at 15:56. Reason: Make the main body more succcinct & provide the link
Why did I see 2 Emirates 777s parked at MAN when I taxiied into T2 today? I know that they have 2 flights per day, but as one was remote parked I assume it was tech? Any more details available?
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I was up at MAN yesterday and there was Emirates 777 on a remote stand with a couple of i would imagine very cold BA engineers working on the #2 engine for most of the day, must admit as a office bound "shiny arse "i do take my hat off to the staff that keep us flying at this time of year, the wind chill up at Manchester felt about -10 yesterday