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A380 EK
Just because I am thirteen doesn't meen you can put me down. I used the news from Planemad, here if you dont believe me!
Other news, EK A380 is being prepped for a MAY 10 use, hence LHR 2nd daily being shelved.
Does that sound like it is written by a 13 year old huh!?
anyway thnx planenutter
Other news, EK A380 is being prepped for a MAY 10 use, hence LHR 2nd daily being shelved.
Does that sound like it is written by a 13 year old huh!?
anyway thnx planenutter
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Hop it, sonny.
The lad has brought up a subject that has been discussed on another website - how many times has that been done before on here?!
He may be young - but can he not join in the discussion?
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Thanks
Thankyou MUFC fan!
Atleast someone will stick up for me on this discussion!
Not mentioning any names
Is it not perfectly all right to use info from another website, what is the point in going after me because u think it is bull!
I was only using the info and you get at me
cheers planenutter
Atleast someone will stick up for me on this discussion!
Not mentioning any names
Is it not perfectly all right to use info from another website, what is the point in going after me because u think it is bull
!I was only using the info and you get at me
cheers planenutter
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Don't let the detractors get you down mate!
When is the work on the old pier for the A380 due for completion? I assume there was some possibility of operations or did MAn just do this off their own back assuming it would be a selling point to have A380 gates before anyone had asked for them?
When is the work on the old pier for the A380 due for completion? I assume there was some possibility of operations or did MAn just do this off their own back assuming it would be a selling point to have A380 gates before anyone had asked for them?
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Nothing to stop you using information from another site, but it is normally considered courteous to credit that site with being the source - that that many people do that now a days.
Gosh I must be getting old!!
Gosh I must be getting old!!
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"Manch will be down to an 8 yr low by end of 2009 and we can ill afford to lose the meagre sprinkling of services which are left"
It is interesting that the nearest comparible airport (although smaller) BHX has the same pattern as MAN. Passenger levels back to 2005 and in danger of reaching 2003 levels.
I believe that this indicates similar problems that they both have in providing a middle ground for the existing operators and the so called lo cost boys.
Liverpool/Bristol/Leeds etc did not have that problem.
I think that it is a case of hanging on in there, the lo cost flights from the other regions will peak and MAN/BHX will experience growth again in the right areas.
Centre cities
It is interesting that the nearest comparible airport (although smaller) BHX has the same pattern as MAN. Passenger levels back to 2005 and in danger of reaching 2003 levels.
I believe that this indicates similar problems that they both have in providing a middle ground for the existing operators and the so called lo cost boys.
Liverpool/Bristol/Leeds etc did not have that problem.
I think that it is a case of hanging on in there, the lo cost flights from the other regions will peak and MAN/BHX will experience growth again in the right areas.
Centre cities
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MAN has told FR to sling their hook for very good reason. Yes LPL, BRS etc. are getting in the numbers with the locos but the airport is also a business.
MAN probably make more money off of the daily J passengers on the EK flights within the terminal than LPL do a day from all their FR passengers - it wouldn't surprise me.
It will be similar at BHX. CO and EK in the Midlands will be propping up the airport in these tough times with their lucrative passengers up front, as will LH, AF and KL. Forget WW and FR - they are just bolstering passenger numbers.
MAN probably make more money off of the daily J passengers on the EK flights within the terminal than LPL do a day from all their FR passengers - it wouldn't surprise me.
It will be similar at BHX. CO and EK in the Midlands will be propping up the airport in these tough times with their lucrative passengers up front, as will LH, AF and KL. Forget WW and FR - they are just bolstering passenger numbers.
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You are essentially correct. However, in the comparatively recent past, MAN and to a lesser extent BHX have been to all intents and purposes the only option for pax from almost everywhere outside of London.
But since the advent of Locos, many people appear to be sidetracked over just the low cost option. What it has actually done is open up markets so that people can travel from their own local airport without the need to travel long distances to an airport. For example, if you live in MAN you would rather fly from there than say LGW. But the same is true if you live in Leeds you would rather fly from there than travel to MAN. Its a natural reaction, although cost also plays a part in that element. Hence it was fairly obvious that airports such as MAN and BHX would take a bigger hit. Its extremely unlikely that they will regain such a dominant position in the short haul market again.
After stating that, there are other opportunities in direct Long haul flights, where there is less competition and people are more willing to travel further to the airports, although there is more competition now from airports offering interlining outside of London. I am not sure yet how the long haul locos such as Air Asia may affect the market or if they are almost unique or at the beginning of something major, although the loss of Air Comet does not bode well in these areas. Ryanair is also an unknown quantity in the future for long haul.
Therefore in conclusion, I feel that growth will return to the previous highs, but perhaps more slowly and in different markets. Of course it is not helped by the Government/Green brigade seeing aviation as a milch cow to wring every penny out of travellers with higher taxes. (If the Government/green brigade REALLY wanted to cut co2 emissions, the 2 easiest and cost effective ways is to reduce the speed limit to 55mph and stop using water in plastic containers, but thats not sexy and theres no money in it for the Government (In fact they would lose millions)), but it is very green. Aircraft emissions are puny in comparison.
When Man does recover to previous highs, there will be more pressure on slots etc, and if the same models are in existence then, then I feel that Man (and LGW) would slowly ease out locos to concentrate on what they see as their core markets, ie premium and long haul, perhaps backed up with I.T. although again I'm not sure how much longer that market will hold up in its current form. Locos would be restricted to off-peak.
Just my thoughts.
You are essentially correct. However, in the comparatively recent past, MAN and to a lesser extent BHX have been to all intents and purposes the only option for pax from almost everywhere outside of London.
But since the advent of Locos, many people appear to be sidetracked over just the low cost option. What it has actually done is open up markets so that people can travel from their own local airport without the need to travel long distances to an airport. For example, if you live in MAN you would rather fly from there than say LGW. But the same is true if you live in Leeds you would rather fly from there than travel to MAN. Its a natural reaction, although cost also plays a part in that element. Hence it was fairly obvious that airports such as MAN and BHX would take a bigger hit. Its extremely unlikely that they will regain such a dominant position in the short haul market again.
After stating that, there are other opportunities in direct Long haul flights, where there is less competition and people are more willing to travel further to the airports, although there is more competition now from airports offering interlining outside of London. I am not sure yet how the long haul locos such as Air Asia may affect the market or if they are almost unique or at the beginning of something major, although the loss of Air Comet does not bode well in these areas. Ryanair is also an unknown quantity in the future for long haul.
Therefore in conclusion, I feel that growth will return to the previous highs, but perhaps more slowly and in different markets. Of course it is not helped by the Government/Green brigade seeing aviation as a milch cow to wring every penny out of travellers with higher taxes. (If the Government/green brigade REALLY wanted to cut co2 emissions, the 2 easiest and cost effective ways is to reduce the speed limit to 55mph and stop using water in plastic containers, but thats not sexy and theres no money in it for the Government (In fact they would lose millions)), but it is very green. Aircraft emissions are puny in comparison.
When Man does recover to previous highs, there will be more pressure on slots etc, and if the same models are in existence then, then I feel that Man (and LGW) would slowly ease out locos to concentrate on what they see as their core markets, ie premium and long haul, perhaps backed up with I.T. although again I'm not sure how much longer that market will hold up in its current form. Locos would be restricted to off-peak.
Just my thoughts.
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But since the advent of Locos, many people appear to be sidetracked over just the low cost option.
To get to SYD from LON is certainly not cheapest LON-DXB/BKK/KUL/DOH/SIN etc. which would cost approx. £1000 in the summer.
Whereas LON-NCE-DXB-KUL-MEL-SYD return was available for a total of £679 in the summer. You get what you pay for...
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MAN probably make more money off of the daily J passengers on the EK flights within the terminal than LPL do a day from all their FR passengers - it wouldn't surprise me.
Mouser..
its a guess!!
(the answer is in the statement
"probably making"
also
I would guess he is "probably" wrong..
most of the J passenger dont spend anything at all
they go straight thru the herrendous duty free "grotto"
as quickly as possible
and
they go straight to the lounge and get everything for free!
Why buy?
Cheers
its a guess!!
(the answer is in the statement
"probably making"
also
I would guess he is "probably" wrong..
most of the J passenger dont spend anything at all
they go straight thru the herrendous duty free "grotto"
as quickly as possible
and
they go straight to the lounge and get everything for free!
Why buy?
Cheers
Have been twice recently through T1 at "peak" time (0800/0830 ish), only 3 security lanes-but still no queues, all the retail therapy shops virtually empty, just the odd chavs necking a few largers. Can't see the takings even paying for the electric bill, let alone making a profit. I guess the savvy pax still flying realise just how expensive these so called duty free shops are compared to the high street Wouldn't it be much more economical to replace some of these shops with some nice seating areas ?
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Crain's are carrying the story about Easy's 5th based aircraft.
EasyJet adds fifth aircraft to Manchester Airport
EasyJet adds fifth aircraft to Manchester Airport - Crain's Manchester Business
Interesting point for Rapidman47 to note:
I also hear chinese whispers that the launch of DSA routes is a sweetener to Peel for future routes ex MAN which might compete with and affect the viability of some of their LPL routes.....
EasyJet adds fifth aircraft to Manchester Airport
EasyJet adds fifth aircraft to Manchester Airport - Crain's Manchester Business
Interesting point for Rapidman47 to note:
Paul Simmons, easyJet’s UK regional general manager commented: “Our base at Manchester has been a particular success story and the response from travellers in the region has been fantastic. easyJet now offers a choice of 19 routes from Manchester to a range of key business centres as well as sunshine and ski destinations."
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Some good points Harbour but i doubt we will see any real growth in Long haul ever again at Manchester.....
The problems.....Well where do we start ?
Inability of the airport management to "fully" capitalise on the opportunities and that were presented in the past.
Inability of the airport management to fully invest and concentrate on Manchester. "Speculative" and ridiculous investment in East Midlands, Humberside, Bournemouth etc at the expense of Manchester itself !
Additional levies imposed by airlines that operate direct LH services, totally unchallenged, meaning it is actually dearer to fly direct from Manchester than London.
A deafening silence in terms of media or parliamantary relations when it comes to national airport debate/discussions - no voice no input !
Closure of once lucrative routes based on pressure from "other" airlines within the same global alliance, Qantas, Cathay etc etc
A perception by the media soaked up by "us northerners" that airports in the South East are the "be all and end all" when it comes to long haul international flights.
Result...Three underused terminals, a second runway which might as well be mothballed... and a cargo centre which is nothing more than a road transport transit hub !
Just a totally rubbish performance.
Merry Christmas !
The problems.....Well where do we start ?
Inability of the airport management to "fully" capitalise on the opportunities and that were presented in the past.
Inability of the airport management to fully invest and concentrate on Manchester. "Speculative" and ridiculous investment in East Midlands, Humberside, Bournemouth etc at the expense of Manchester itself !
Additional levies imposed by airlines that operate direct LH services, totally unchallenged, meaning it is actually dearer to fly direct from Manchester than London.
A deafening silence in terms of media or parliamantary relations when it comes to national airport debate/discussions - no voice no input !
Closure of once lucrative routes based on pressure from "other" airlines within the same global alliance, Qantas, Cathay etc etc
A perception by the media soaked up by "us northerners" that airports in the South East are the "be all and end all" when it comes to long haul international flights.
Result...Three underused terminals, a second runway which might as well be mothballed... and a cargo centre which is nothing more than a road transport transit hub !
Just a totally rubbish performance.
Merry Christmas !
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I also hear Chinese whispers that the launch of DSA routes is a sweetener to Peel for future routes ex MAN which might compete with and affect the viability of some of their LPL routes.