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Don't want to veer off topic for too long, but unless the Russia-UK bilateral has been renegotiated recently, that's not going to happen. IIRC the bilateral is very restrictive both in terms of operators on LON-MOW (only two airlines can be designated on each side - and those are BA, bmi, Aeroflot and Transaero) and frequency. The LCCs would love to fly LON-MOW if they could - in addition to limited competition, they could legitimately fly overnight and push the aircraft utilisation up.
In true bmi style, they have announced the baby withdrawal from Manchester but kept one flight per day on BHD-MAN-BHD on sale in the system for the winter despite everyone reading in the press that they've pulled out.....what is the point of that?
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Seems to be confusion between pulling out of Manchester (pulling the base) and pulling out of Manchester (pulling all routes). I doubt a once daily BHD - MAN will last terribly long!!
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Think what has happened is that WW have been fed a load of crap by the management at BHD.Time will tell but i would say at least 4 of those routes are non starters and wont last 6 months.
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Ryanair culled BHD & MAN to name but a few
is this the same Ryanair that's had about 5 new flights starting at MAN today? Methinks bmibaby have pulled out due competition at MAN from Ryanair and having easyJet starting BFS-MAN from October!
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I doubt Ryanair even figured in it, i would guess that the only reason CWL & MAN weren't closed in Rix's days was the view that as and when the fleet started to grow again, then aircraft units could be added to both, but the ongoing saga at bmi probably makes that unlikely anytime soon.
I suspect this will be a storm in a tea cup for MAN,few passenger will give a toss, there are plenty of other carriers at MAN including Ryanair.
CWL needs a Jet2 who can park aircraft up when not needed
I doubt Ryanair even figured in it, i would guess that the only reason CWL & MAN weren't closed in Rix's days was the view that as and when the fleet started to grow again, then aircraft units could be added to both, but the ongoing saga at bmi probably makes that unlikely anytime soon.
I suspect this will be a storm in a tea cup for MAN,few passenger will give a toss, there are plenty of other carriers at MAN including Ryanair.
CWL needs a Jet2 who can park aircraft up when not needed
Will be a bigger loss for CWL than MAN. The routes were chopped & changed far too often out of MAN offering no consistancy & very often over priced to the competition. This airline continues to chop and change seemingly unable to find the right niche market that would help it thrive. I wish everybody well at Baby, but the airline has a very very very long way to go before it becomes a UK version of Germanwings - I hope it happens in time.
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Call me old fashioned, but are they shutting these two bases BEFORE the Olympics? , bearing in mind both have Stadiums that are going to be used for the Olympics, just wondered. 
Bmibaby or for that matter BMI have never been known for their forward thinking; seeing as they are willing to terminate a route within months and in some cases weeks of starting it up; they more than likely have not factored in the olympics in to the equation!!!!!!!!!
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I agree that a Jet2 operation would work for CWL. CWL needs a LCC to come in otherwise the airport is totally unsustainable.
The one thing that amused me is that Patrick Duffy (CWL MD) said that the door is wide open for FR...that would not of been his opinion the day before the baby announcement at all. FR and CWL are not on good terms and CWL would literally have to prostitute itself off to FR in order for them to come in.
I would doubt a carrier will replace CWL this winter, as its a really difficult time to start operations from any airport with the winter market being much smaller than the summer. Summer 12 would be the time to start a new LCC at CWL with enough time to generate good ticket sales.
Lets see what the management and Welsh Assembly Government can pull out the bag.
The one thing that amused me is that Patrick Duffy (CWL MD) said that the door is wide open for FR...that would not of been his opinion the day before the baby announcement at all. FR and CWL are not on good terms and CWL would literally have to prostitute itself off to FR in order for them to come in.
I would doubt a carrier will replace CWL this winter, as its a really difficult time to start operations from any airport with the winter market being much smaller than the summer. Summer 12 would be the time to start a new LCC at CWL with enough time to generate good ticket sales.
Lets see what the management and Welsh Assembly Government can pull out the bag.
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...it seems to me that bmibaby are a total shambles.
They opened Manchester base, expanded it, and have now closed it.
They opened Teesside then closed it, despite having a loco monopoly
They opened Cardiff and have now closed it, despite having a Loco monopoly
They have even fluctuated their committment to Birmingham
There have been a large number of destination changes.
Their fleet is static, and pretty elderly.
Due to fleet type they have not entered the main winter market ie Canaries.
Their prices are not very competitive
Their 'add-ons' are very costly
A website redesign rendered their website difficult to use
The new routes they have chosen look difficult to make money on due to competition from much stronger airlines
In short, they are too small to compete, they have inappropriate equipment and an inconsistent stategy. I would not invest my money in them or even to fly with them, so I'm out. Sorry.
They opened Manchester base, expanded it, and have now closed it.
They opened Teesside then closed it, despite having a loco monopoly
They opened Cardiff and have now closed it, despite having a Loco monopoly
They have even fluctuated their committment to Birmingham
There have been a large number of destination changes.
Their fleet is static, and pretty elderly.
Due to fleet type they have not entered the main winter market ie Canaries.
Their prices are not very competitive
Their 'add-ons' are very costly
A website redesign rendered their website difficult to use
The new routes they have chosen look difficult to make money on due to competition from much stronger airlines
In short, they are too small to compete, they have inappropriate equipment and an inconsistent stategy. I would not invest my money in them or even to fly with them, so I'm out. Sorry.
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LGS6753....... for someone who would not fly bmibaby.... you sure think you know a lot about them..... you say you would not invest in them and say their fleet is elderly.... well get off your armchair and invest in them and buy them some new aircraft if you think their current fleet is not up to the job !! Maybe if people flew with them and stopped giving them a hard time they would not have to close bases and relocate the " elderly " aircraft!!!!!!
I agree with alot of the posters analysis. What really makes me laugh however is how posters here (and airliners) make out they are high and mighty. The "I'm not flying with them" is a perfect example. If they happen to fly on any given route the poster travels on in the future and the price is right, he'll be on it.