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Pizza Express,
With just 2 posts to your name, it's blatant - you have created your id here in order to post utter rubbish.
You - imho are the same vile idiot as Vuelo, that real popular to$$er above.
You may have more aliases then just the 2, but you do stick out!
With just 2 posts to your name, it's blatant - you have created your id here in order to post utter rubbish.
You - imho are the same vile idiot as Vuelo, that real popular to$$er above.
You may have more aliases then just the 2, but you do stick out!
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Pizza Express.
You Talk Utter B SMB Is NOT Using Baby As A Tax Haven Never Has And Never Will SMB Is A Very Honest Business Man. Thats Why He Built The Airline Up From the Days of Derby Airways to the Current BMI If He Was Doing Anything Wrong Im Sure He Would Have Been Found Out By Now Hes A Very Wealthy and Honest Guy and Post Like Yours Against His Name Should Be Stopped.
You Talk Utter B
SMB Is NOT Using Baby As A Tax Haven Never Has And Never Will SMB Is A Very Honest Business Man. Thats Why He Built The Airline Up From the Days of Derby Airways to the Current BMI If He Was Doing Anything Wrong Im Sure He Would Have Been Found Out By Now Hes A Very Wealthy and Honest Guy and Post Like Yours Against His Name Should Be Stopped.
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This whole topic is out of hands, it started from 3 routes being lost and 3 aircraft leaving as their lease is over. At the current time, who knows what might happen. Furthermore to NJTCF is the fact that bmi has always been part of the Midlands, since it began 1949 as Derby Aviation. And I can almost be certain, that it will always be the case of bmi and bmibaby for as long as they are here, stay in the Midlands
OliWW:
Your first point - spot on!
Your second less so. Woolworths were part of the UK retail scene for 99 years - but that is no guarantee they will make it to 100. A tough economic environment has seen to that; and it will probably see to the prospects for more airlines yet.
Nobody in their right mind would wish redundancy on anyone who is working hard to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads - but for the next year or two things are going to be tough for everyone - to state the blindingly obvious - and creditors are less patient than they might have been 18 months ago.
Best of luck to all.
Your first point - spot on!
Your second less so. Woolworths were part of the UK retail scene for 99 years - but that is no guarantee they will make it to 100. A tough economic environment has seen to that; and it will probably see to the prospects for more airlines yet.
Nobody in their right mind would wish redundancy on anyone who is working hard to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads - but for the next year or two things are going to be tough for everyone - to state the blindingly obvious - and creditors are less patient than they might have been 18 months ago.
Best of luck to all.
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Nitefighter, sorry but the company did not waive the training bonds for the Teesside crews. Those on the agreement had to pay back the outstanding amount, only the guys who transfered from regional and were on an old fashioned bond had it waived.
There is a line in the small print of the agreement that if I remember rightly, states that on termination of employment any outstanding money has to be repayed.
Good luck to all my former collegues, Baby was a good company and it is a shame it has come to this.
There is a line in the small print of the agreement that if I remember rightly, states that on termination of employment any outstanding money has to be repayed.
Good luck to all my former collegues, Baby was a good company and it is a shame it has come to this.
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Future not all FRs
A smaller Baby may mange quite will under new owners in long run. BHX will not wish Ryanair to be so big that they can get blackmailed. I am sure that a good rate could be agreed to keep baby viable. Its new owners also have quite a few planes that could get passed down to the new bady in the family.
Ryanair is likley to be paying less per pax at BHX and is killing the profits of other airlines at the airport. They may part company again.
Ryanair is likley to be paying less per pax at BHX and is killing the profits of other airlines at the airport. They may part company again.
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Baby or Flybe?
Someone just sent me this link:
PRESS DIGEST - British Sunday business press - Nov 30 - Forbes.com
Basically intimates that Flybe is sniffing around Baby as well as Regional. Whether this would be a good thing for the staff I am not convinced; however, if it ever happened it may sure up mid/long term job security as Flybe would be almost water-tight in the UK domestic market.
I am only teeing it up - now you can all rip it apart.
Enjoy!
PRESS DIGEST - British Sunday business press - Nov 30 - Forbes.com
Basically intimates that Flybe is sniffing around Baby as well as Regional. Whether this would be a good thing for the staff I am not convinced; however, if it ever happened it may sure up mid/long term job security as Flybe would be almost water-tight in the UK domestic market.
I am only teeing it up - now you can all rip it apart.
Enjoy!
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It now appears that Flybe are in talks with LH to acquire bmibaby and regional.News articles say that flybe are carrying out "due diligence". LH quoted as saying baby and regional "were not not core to it's strategy"
Financial section of Mail on Sunday is one of the papers carrying the article.
RJ.
Financial section of Mail on Sunday is one of the papers carrying the article.
RJ.
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There could be worse outcomes?
Regional would fit well within Flybe and bmibaby could become flybaby doing the fun & sun routes, keeping the two bits seperate would avoid many of the seniority issues, if nothing else it would end the endless speculation will go on in 2009 until such stage as Lufthansa either commit to a new fleet or start expanding the airline. In all credit to Flybe they have done a half descent job with BAcon
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We have used ww several times from CWL, as has been mentioned previously they do what they say on the tin. We have only praise for the crews we have flown with. As for redundancy issues I have been down that route and have seen many good people break up after it.
Vuelo does seem to be a smug uncaring person, I completely agree with excrabs first paragraph.
Vuelo does seem to be a smug uncaring person, I completely agree with excrabs first paragraph.
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The FlyBE/Baby/Regional rumour has been going around long before Lufty's recent acquisition. Although FlyBE have denied interest in either operation in the past it will be interesting to see if/how they will respond to the artilce on forbes.com (link above). There may be dark months ahead but there could be some interesting turns of events too. Hopefully alot of people can benefit.
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Market News
More Business & Investing News... LONDON (Reuters) - Airline Flybe is in talks to buy British Midland's subsidiary operations bmi regional and bmi baby, the Mail on Sunday reported.
The two airlines are not core to the strategy of British Midland's new owner, Lufthansa, it said.
Lufthansa took over British Midland last month, but the German airline has indicated it is more interested in bmi's long-haul routes and valuable Heathrow slots than in the two subsidiaries.
Bmi regional is UK-focussed, while bmi baby is a low-cost airline that flies to a number of European destinations.
Privately-owned Flybe is in due diligence for the two businesses, which together make up about 40 percent of British Midland's turnover, the newspaper reported.
Analysts have previously touted Flybe as a potential buyer of bmi regional, saying it would fit in well with Flybe's strategy of trying to consolidate the UK regional market.
(Reporting by Rosalba O'Brien; Editing by Andrew Macdonald)
regards
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More Business & Investing News... LONDON (Reuters) - Airline Flybe is in talks to buy British Midland's subsidiary operations bmi regional and bmi baby, the Mail on Sunday reported.
The two airlines are not core to the strategy of British Midland's new owner, Lufthansa, it said.
Lufthansa took over British Midland last month, but the German airline has indicated it is more interested in bmi's long-haul routes and valuable Heathrow slots than in the two subsidiaries.
Bmi regional is UK-focussed, while bmi baby is a low-cost airline that flies to a number of European destinations.
Privately-owned Flybe is in due diligence for the two businesses, which together make up about 40 percent of British Midland's turnover, the newspaper reported.
Analysts have previously touted Flybe as a potential buyer of bmi regional, saying it would fit in well with Flybe's strategy of trying to consolidate the UK regional market.
(Reporting by Rosalba O'Brien; Editing by Andrew Macdonald)
regards
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Someone just sent me this link:
PRESS DIGEST - British Sunday business press - Nov 30 - Forbes.com
Basically intimates that Flybe is sniffing around Baby as well as Regional. Whether this would be a good thing for the staff I am not convinced; however, if it ever happened it may sure up mid/long term job security as Flybe would be almost water-tight in the UK domestic market.
PRESS DIGEST - British Sunday business press - Nov 30 - Forbes.com
Basically intimates that Flybe is sniffing around Baby as well as Regional. Whether this would be a good thing for the staff I am not convinced; however, if it ever happened it may sure up mid/long term job security as Flybe would be almost water-tight in the UK domestic market.
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not serious news
I read the article in the link, when i got to the £150m bit i fell off my chair laughing, who in their right mind would pay £150m for any of bmi/regional/baby other than the slots of LHR?
Prior to the slots being included in the asset value the group was worth £20m...........
Have used regional a number of times, good service but not cheap, mainline, depends on which day of the week it is as to the service level, used baby from Man down to the med last summer and it was ok, but the aircraft were tatty for their age.
The only way flybe will be involved is if its part of a much bigger deal with BA/Luffty who are the proud parents of Flybe/bmi offspring.
Wishing all the staff well for Xmas and the new year
Prior to the slots being included in the asset value the group was worth £20m...........
Have used regional a number of times, good service but not cheap, mainline, depends on which day of the week it is as to the service level, used baby from Man down to the med last summer and it was ok, but the aircraft were tatty for their age.
The only way flybe will be involved is if its part of a much bigger deal with BA/Luffty who are the proud parents of Flybe/bmi offspring.
Wishing all the staff well for Xmas and the new year
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Couple of things;
1) This was in the Mail, which is not exactly renowned for it's accuracy when reporting aviation related matters.
2) How can Flybe be in talks with Lufthansa over an airline which it will not actually own until mid January '09 at the earliest?
Regional I can see, Baby I can't.
Perhaps because it's a business with over a billion pound trunover?
1) This was in the Mail, which is not exactly renowned for it's accuracy when reporting aviation related matters.
2) How can Flybe be in talks with Lufthansa over an airline which it will not actually own until mid January '09 at the earliest?
Regional I can see, Baby I can't.
I read the article in the link, when i got to the £150m bit i fell off my chair laughing, who in their right mind would pay £150m for any of bmi/regional/baby other than the slots of LHR?
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Topslide
Turnover=vanity........profit =sanity
Luffty board room on hearing that they have just paid 320m for 50%+1 share in black hole.........." De bloody Tommy hav put wunover us again" who signed Das bloody deal?...take em out side fur de firing squad!!
And what about de bmi tommy management?
Tell dem ther jobs are safe, then get das next lufftwaffa shuttle to Lodnod, sign the paper and tell em we lied and shoot dem as well!
Bloody tommies
Luffty board room on hearing that they have just paid 320m for 50%+1 share in black hole.........." De bloody Tommy hav put wunover us again" who signed Das bloody deal?...take em out side fur de firing squad!!
And what about de bmi tommy management?
Tell dem ther jobs are safe, then get das next lufftwaffa shuttle to Lodnod, sign the paper and tell em we lied and shoot dem as well!
Bloody tommies
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Redundancies
Hi all!!
Regarding redundancies I would be concerned if LIFO is not enforced as dspite what the EU law stipulates about age discrimination and the younger players being protected, in bmibaby this would definately not be the case. There are in fact many older people joining recently from other airlines, than pilots already in bmibaby, and it seems that all the pilots want LIFO to be the method of redundancy if necessary! The age factor is completely irrelevant to LIFO!
If not LIFO then what method would be used! Remembering now that preventing discrimination is key! I read somewhere that attendance performance may form part of the criteria in deciding who goes! This surely would not be allowed to happen with flightcrew as it would set a dangerous precedent! Pilots who are sick would struggle into work anyway, fearing that when it comes to "redundancy day", they might/would be the first to go due to a blemish on the record! Potentially, therefore, with the precedent set for all airlines, it's logical to say that somewhere some day, there will be 2 very sick pilots in the same flightdeck! This cannot be allowed to happen, so where next! Performance? How can you measure performance? LPC's, Linechecks? I can't see training records being pulled to assisst the chopping process, that would be ludicrous! And again you'd be discriminating in both the above mentioned! 1) against people who were unwell 2) against people of less experience/natural ability!
I am also concerned about how people will be selected! My biggest worries are for those who are not financially indebted to the company. i.e no training bond! Will the management decide to axe those with no bond, or bond paid, and keep those on who are still paying their money back! Thats cynical I know, and I can hardly see the company attempting that, never mind getting away with it!
I think LIFO is the only way, but if there are other alternatives, to prevent or minimise redundancies, such as pay freeze, etc, I would vote for that!
Does anyone know when the next batch of aircraft leases are due to expire, and if so when and how many? It makes me wonder if when NT said that this wouldn't be the last of the announcements, whether, in 4-6 months time when another 3-4 aircraft leases expire, whether the focus of redundancies will be at Manchester and Cardiff next tim afround!!!
Thanks
Regarding redundancies I would be concerned if LIFO is not enforced as dspite what the EU law stipulates about age discrimination and the younger players being protected, in bmibaby this would definately not be the case. There are in fact many older people joining recently from other airlines, than pilots already in bmibaby, and it seems that all the pilots want LIFO to be the method of redundancy if necessary! The age factor is completely irrelevant to LIFO!
If not LIFO then what method would be used! Remembering now that preventing discrimination is key! I read somewhere that attendance performance may form part of the criteria in deciding who goes! This surely would not be allowed to happen with flightcrew as it would set a dangerous precedent! Pilots who are sick would struggle into work anyway, fearing that when it comes to "redundancy day", they might/would be the first to go due to a blemish on the record! Potentially, therefore, with the precedent set for all airlines, it's logical to say that somewhere some day, there will be 2 very sick pilots in the same flightdeck! This cannot be allowed to happen, so where next! Performance? How can you measure performance? LPC's, Linechecks? I can't see training records being pulled to assisst the chopping process, that would be ludicrous! And again you'd be discriminating in both the above mentioned! 1) against people who were unwell 2) against people of less experience/natural ability!
I am also concerned about how people will be selected! My biggest worries are for those who are not financially indebted to the company. i.e no training bond! Will the management decide to axe those with no bond, or bond paid, and keep those on who are still paying their money back! Thats cynical I know, and I can hardly see the company attempting that, never mind getting away with it!
I think LIFO is the only way, but if there are other alternatives, to prevent or minimise redundancies, such as pay freeze, etc, I would vote for that!
Does anyone know when the next batch of aircraft leases are due to expire, and if so when and how many? It makes me wonder if when NT said that this wouldn't be the last of the announcements, whether, in 4-6 months time when another 3-4 aircraft leases expire, whether the focus of redundancies will be at Manchester and Cardiff next tim afround!!!
Thanks