SilverJet (Merged 30/05)
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You may well be right befree - but veciferous argument works against your point of view in the case where you essentially discuss jobsand livelihoods, as you appear malicious.
I'd drop it before you dig your own hole. Your point has certainly been taken!
I'd drop it before you dig your own hole. Your point has certainly been taken!
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I agree with Befree. Silverjet are treading water at the moment. They do not achieve load factors consistantly enough to generate the revenue they need to survive. It would be better for the public if they were to fold now rather than later, allowing people to book on an airline who will be around to see the summer season out.
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A retired pilot, I hear good things about the firm and look forward to buying a couple of seats to JFK and back around June.
The prices they charge seem great value when compared with BA and Virgin. Lets hope that they can make a profit and keep in business.
The prices they charge seem great value when compared with BA and Virgin. Lets hope that they can make a profit and keep in business.
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I'm with Lou. I am sick of the negatives/slagging being trotted out by the anonymous befree.
I wish them all good fortune and I too hope to travel with them before too long.
Best
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(Al Walker)
I wish them all good fortune and I too hope to travel with them before too long.
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FW,
It also seems strange that what some of us see as a fatally flawed business plan...is about to be copied by BA. (Without the superior Silverjet service however).
Lou Scannon
aka Bob Osborne
It also seems strange that what some of us see as a fatally flawed business plan...is about to be copied by BA. (Without the superior Silverjet service however).
Lou Scannon
aka Bob Osborne
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current operations
Looking at the silverjet website it seems they are not operating the 2nd Newark flight today. It also seemed that it did not go yesterday. The dubai flight is not running on Tuesdays. Do they still have 3 planes operating?
I was also trying to find out what loadfactor they could have and still take off for the West coast. The Luton seems very short to allow operation to LAS or LAX.
I was also trying to find out what loadfactor they could have and still take off for the West coast. The Luton seems very short to allow operation to LAS or LAX.
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Heard one aircraft is in the shed for routine major check and Mods, also each aircraft is pulled once every week/2 weeks for routine TLC. New aircraft have -80C2 engines which are more powerful, so a long range destination would be no problem even at LTN unless temp +40c and QNH 950.
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One is not in the shed having a major check, that is next month as reported when the EWR is down to one a day.
One is in the shed for the U/C being changed at this time and was planned.
One is in the shed for the U/C being changed at this time and was planned.
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Me too but ... I think they launched at the wrong time and are going to have an EXTREMELY difficult year and their chances hang in the balance. This situation may be expected to remain all year and everyone is going to have to work very yet, if the pax do not book, they have nothing to do.
On the positive - they have made a good start, generating lots of positive publicity and good feeling. Also, they have a unique status at LTN, which EOS + Max did not have at STN, certainly not when AA jumped on their bandwagon.
However, there are many indications that the economic downturn is going to be strong and the premium services are what gets hit first. That is the same for biz or social pax.
I wish them all good fortune and I too hope to travel with them before too long.
On the positive - they have made a good start, generating lots of positive publicity and good feeling. Also, they have a unique status at LTN, which EOS + Max did not have at STN, certainly not when AA jumped on their bandwagon.
However, there are many indications that the economic downturn is going to be strong and the premium services are what gets hit first. That is the same for biz or social pax.
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Heres to Silverjet cracking on and showing that it can be done. Its not easy starting any business. It takes time and lots of money - BUT - fear not 'openlies' as that is a total joke. Before the first aircraft arrives (not too far away) the parent company is struggling with internal issues regarding the crewing and the likes 
Silverjet is a new operator and offers unique and specialised service. Give it a chance. You get what you pay for - premium service and the personal touch. Everyone suffers from delays and cancellations...
Did anyone ever think Concorde would be around, as long as it was in the begining...
Silverjet is a new operator and offers unique and specialised service. Give it a chance. You get what you pay for - premium service and the personal touch. Everyone suffers from delays and cancellations...
Did anyone ever think Concorde would be around, as long as it was in the begining...
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100 seats and a post teen lady, but alas no.
Sorry to say Concorde was a product, experience and alas, never to be surpassed in terms of speed, willingness to part with cash v personal time.
If the gracious old lady had never been 'retired' through the tragic AF accident and other reasons, would a buyer have been bought to continue the product that was Concord.
Yes, off set the personal time of those with serious cash to burn.
The fact is, all you can buy in First, Economy or the Silverjst, L'Avion, Eos ilk is space.
It will still take a working day to cross the Pond, and what service back up exsists to date?
Sorry to say Concorde was a product, experience and alas, never to be surpassed in terms of speed, willingness to part with cash v personal time.
If the gracious old lady had never been 'retired' through the tragic AF accident and other reasons, would a buyer have been bought to continue the product that was Concord.
Yes, off set the personal time of those with serious cash to burn.
The fact is, all you can buy in First, Economy or the Silverjst, L'Avion, Eos ilk is space.
It will still take a working day to cross the Pond, and what service back up exsists to date?
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Just because Maxjet failed doesn't mean Silverjet will
Silverjet can succeed where Maxjet failed because its service is better. That means they can charge more. The plan is to charge £1,100 pounds/$2,157 per seat according to what I've read.
In fact they've already put up prices in response to fuel costs. Maxjet didn't do that, they kept prices low to compete for customers. Bad move.
Silverjet's US bookings are good. Weakness in the US economy may actually help Silverjet (more than Eos) by making companies look for cheaper alternatives to normal business-class travel.
Silverjet's business plan looks smarter than Maxjet's. They're talking to investors who want to replicate the Silverjet business model in India, China, South Africa and the Middle East. Sounds promising.
They'll have 2 two new aircraft in May or June for the new route, probably LA.
Reserve judgment until these plans have had a chance to come to fruition?
In fact they've already put up prices in response to fuel costs. Maxjet didn't do that, they kept prices low to compete for customers. Bad move.
Silverjet's US bookings are good. Weakness in the US economy may actually help Silverjet (more than Eos) by making companies look for cheaper alternatives to normal business-class travel.
Silverjet's business plan looks smarter than Maxjet's. They're talking to investors who want to replicate the Silverjet business model in India, China, South Africa and the Middle East. Sounds promising.
They'll have 2 two new aircraft in May or June for the new route, probably LA.
Reserve judgment until these plans have had a chance to come to fruition?
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Silverjet's US bookings are good. Weakness in the US economy may actually help Silverjet (more than Eos) by making companies look for cheaper alternatives to normal business-class travel.
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Companies are already doing this as I've recently found out to my own personal cost. Its called Economy with the same corporately agreed airline, not Business with someone else (sadly)
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Silverjet's US bookings are good. Weakness in the US economy may actually help Silverjet (more than Eos) by making companies look for cheaper alternatives to normal business-class travel.
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Companies are already doing this as I've recently found out to my own personal cost. Its called Economy with the same corporately agreed airline, not Business with someone else (sadly)
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befree
You clearly have an obsession with Silverjet
What did you do to get the sack from them?
or is it they would not give you a job?
You seem to be on a mission to put people out of work with your hidden agenda
Shame on you
You clearly have an obsession with Silverjet
What did you do to get the sack from them?
or is it they would not give you a job?
You seem to be on a mission to put people out of work with your hidden agenda
Shame on you
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Befree you clearly have an agenda.
Have you ever heard of yield management ? I can assure you that Silverjet are using the sale very carefully. You seem oblivious to the fact that the major share holders invest for the long term. No airline in history has ever made a profit within 15 months of operation. Look at Virgin/Air 2000 etc who no doubt you would have written off when they started.
The seeds are sown for the future harvest which is why very successful hard nosed business people (Reubens etc) have chosen to invest significantly. An excellent product and operation is now in place with further substantial improvements to be made this year.
As others have said please give it a rest !
Have you ever heard of yield management ? I can assure you that Silverjet are using the sale very carefully. You seem oblivious to the fact that the major share holders invest for the long term. No airline in history has ever made a profit within 15 months of operation. Look at Virgin/Air 2000 etc who no doubt you would have written off when they started.
The seeds are sown for the future harvest which is why very successful hard nosed business people (Reubens etc) have chosen to invest significantly. An excellent product and operation is now in place with further substantial improvements to be made this year.
As others have said please give it a rest !
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Be carefull what you believe
Befree, or shall I call you "I am myself"?
A friend of mine found an investor website that has a discussion forum. After reading through the Silverjet discussion's on that site I have found Befree's aledged twin brother!
Same crap different forum... But this time trying to scare investors away. And no people with aviation facts to argue the truth.
Some of the other posters on this site warn people that "I am myself" is "Befree" on pprune and he/she is just on a mission against Silverjet.
Check it out... I hope the link works. If not the website is http://www.iii.co.uk and do a search for Silverjet and look at the discussions.
http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...tn:SIL.L&it=le
I have looked through alot of befree's posts. He/she Posts the same always very negative crap about Silverjet in multiple forums (Cabin crew/T/C's/SLP and Routes) and websites. Befree even seems successful in persuading prospective Silverjet employees to cancel interviews or turn down jobs offers! Now that is when I thought NO I have to warn people about this!
Be carefull people... this person does not work for Silverjet, definately does not have any insider knowledge about Silverjet and has there facts are either wrong or twisted. What I do know is that Befree has got a sick and sad agenda against Silverjet.
If anyone is into shares please write some TRUE facts on the investor website.
A friend of mine found an investor website that has a discussion forum. After reading through the Silverjet discussion's on that site I have found Befree's aledged twin brother!
Same crap different forum... But this time trying to scare investors away. And no people with aviation facts to argue the truth.
Some of the other posters on this site warn people that "I am myself" is "Befree" on pprune and he/she is just on a mission against Silverjet.
Check it out... I hope the link works. If not the website is http://www.iii.co.uk and do a search for Silverjet and look at the discussions.
http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...tn:SIL.L&it=le
I have looked through alot of befree's posts. He/she Posts the same always very negative crap about Silverjet in multiple forums (Cabin crew/T/C's/SLP and Routes) and websites. Befree even seems successful in persuading prospective Silverjet employees to cancel interviews or turn down jobs offers! Now that is when I thought NO I have to warn people about this!
Be carefull people... this person does not work for Silverjet, definately does not have any insider knowledge about Silverjet and has there facts are either wrong or twisted. What I do know is that Befree has got a sick and sad agenda against Silverjet.
If anyone is into shares please write some TRUE facts on the investor website.
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