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Old 16th Feb 2009, 17:22
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There is a much bigger charter operation by BMI for Summer 09 at NCL than we have seen in the past.
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Old 16th Feb 2009, 18:44
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There is a much larger bmi charter operation virtually everywhere this summer as they move aircraft out of scheduled services onto charters.

1 aircraft based at Manchester flying to Greece with the odd W pattern into Gatwick

1 aircraft split between Glasgow (midweek) and Dublin (weekend)

1 aircraft operating peak season programme ex Belfast

1 aircraft operating a programme of Glasgow/Belfast during June/July moving to Manchester/Gatwick during July/August, then back to Glasgow in October etc

All of these are in addition to the usual weekend charters which bmi have undertaken on the scheduled service aircraft for quite a long time.

Announcements about some major changes to the scheduled service network rumoured to be coming out on Thursday.
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Old 16th Feb 2009, 19:54
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In July - September they will have a A321 at EMA with W Patterns into BHX, also rumors that WW will get a A321 for June - September at MAN
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Old 16th Feb 2009, 20:49
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Announcements about some major changes to the scheduled service network rumoured to be coming out on Thursday.

Could this be the long awaited axe of MME-LHR?
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Could this be the long awaited axe of MME-LHR
Most probably, although if it makes you feel better, I don't think you'll be the only ones.
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Old 16th Feb 2009, 20:59
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Is there any reason why someone thought it would be a good idea to put Manchester on the drop down menu in it's own little world and sort the rest of the world by the IATA code that you can't see.

So Canada is right at the end and Durham Tees Valley is next to Miami. ( MIA then MME ). Better not drop it as I am flying it in April.

Mental !!!
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Old 17th Feb 2009, 03:54
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bus in to MAN for peak summer on WW

The fur will fly if this comes to pass after baby pilots got the big R,
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Is there any reason why someone thought it would be a good idea to put Manchester on the drop down menu in it's own little world and sort the rest of the world by the IATA code that you can't see.

So Canada is right at the end and Durham Tees Valley is next to Miami. ( MIA then MME ). Better not drop it as I am flying it in April.

Mental !!!
Terminal thickness at play.

Fedex (or UPS) sorted countries by their ISO abbreviations.

So you had to know that Germany is DE, Croatia, HR and South Africa ZA....

Morons at work

Mind you, bmi's the airline that
1. introduced elegantly translucent Diamond Club cards (that couldn't be read by the check-in kiosks - card has to interrupt a light barrier to activate the screen)
2. placed decorative dark blue background graphics on their boarding passes (which reduced the area for printed information by 30%) which were 3. high-gloss, meaning that whatever print was legible to start with smudged within seconds (because the ink couldn't be absorbed.)

Good thing they only ordered 5 million of them....
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From what I see, with the addition of TXL and MXP by Lufthansa at LHR, there is a need for no less than nine slots pairs. Any idea where these will come from as LH certainly will not axe nine of its own services. MME is of course an obvious victim, but what else faces the chop?
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The BMI call centre is in India and they barely speak English.....

They assure me that my MME-LHR is still operating and not cancelled yet. However if it is cancelled I will get a full refund. The flight of course is still being sold even though BMI know it will not operate.

In my view this is a hairs breadth from dishonesty, but entirely legal I am sure. If this is how BMI treat their customers is it any wonder I fly BA so much?

The old British Midland service is long dead and gone, BMI is a joke!
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 15:30
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6 x MXP-LHR
3 x TXL-LHR
9 in total

3 x MME-LHR
4 x LBA-LHR
2 x JER-LHR
9 in total
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 15:36
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Are we all forgetting about the 55 slot pairs that have to be returned to BA as part of the Bmed deal.
So that will deffo put the cat amongst the pidgeons and how many more flts will face the axe.....
I dont however believe that LH will be taking slots from bmi for their new services!
As bmi need to find slots for the extra TLV and the new KBP flts
on top of the BA returns
Interesting times ahead
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 15:54
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Sure that they will axe LBA? While I see the point as far as MME and JER are concerned, I always thought that LBA was doing much better.

The reason why I am asking is that LH will switch the LH/BD code-shared LHR-CGN service from a 737-500 to a Avro RJ85 according to the timetable - and this would allow shifting the flight to LCY if needed. There are, however, other explanations for the equipment change such as Boeing 737-500s leaving the fleet and/or a decrease in demand (Lufthansa has used everything from CRJ, CR7, AR8 to B737s on the route in the past couple of years).
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 16:48
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LHR-LBA
Nov08 8,341 pax (-35% versus previous year)
Dec08 6,789 pax (-39% versus previous year)
Jan09 7,253 pax (-31% versus previous year)
Based on 220 sectors flown in January, equates to 33 pax per flight

LHR-MME
Nov08 6,222 pax (-8% versus previous year)
Dec08 5,623 pax (-16% versus previous year)
Jan09 4,504 pax (-26% versus previous year)
Based on 176 sectors flown in January, equates to 25 pax per flight

Not exactly a picture of health and happiness. Stats from CAA website.
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 16:58
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MME was actually an average of 30 pax per flight, 149 sectors flown in January 09.
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 17:05
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The traffic numbers are not good for an Airbus, but ok if they are on an Embraer!!

Either way flying shorthaul in the UK to LHR is coming to an end, at least until R3 gets built or not?

Round 1 to enviromental-ist and the trains, well no not really, beacuse if your going to fly long haul East bound its CDG,AMS& FRA from most regional airports

West bound its Conny or KLM for me via AMS which is easy from the UK

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The few times i have had to speak to the call centre, they have been OK and to be fair if bmi have plans for route chops, they wont tell their staff or the call centre until there is a formal announcement, which seems to be anyday now
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 17:23
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The traffic numbers are not good for an Airbus, but ok if they are on an Embraer!!
Not really - if you look at the operating costs on a sector like that, a high degree of the costs are fixed. Heathrow landing charge, nav fees and parking for 45 minutes for an Embraer 145 is £787 and for an Airbus A319, £858. If you assume an average fare of £75 on those routes, it means you've got to carry 10 passengers on an Embraer just to pay the Heathrow charges which is 20% of your capacity gone before you can pay any other bills. For an A319, it's 11 pax per flight to pay the landing fees but this only equates to 6% of your available seats.

Running RJ145s into Heathrow will only ever be a damage-limitation exercise unless you have extremely high yields. Even Luxair had to give in on that one eventually.
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 17:37
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Agreed, but they can't even fill an Embraer most days, so the lower fuel burn saves more cash if your flying empty seats around
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 22:46
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Are we all forgetting about the 55 slot pairs that have to be returned to BA as part of the Bmed deal.
Believe we are hanging on to those for the moment, BA didn't want them back at the moment. Once they have back they must fly them or lose them and now is not the time to do that. Rumour is that we will be operating the new LH services to MXP and TXL, what colour will the aicraft be?, who knows.
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Old 18th Feb 2009, 23:50
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Appears you are correct!

Heathrow to Durham Tees, Leeds both chopped completely, as well as previously announced Jersey. Amsterdam and Dublin are reduced in frequency and Aberdeen and Brussels transferred to regional. Apparently allows them to cut 4 Airbuses to cover charter work plus leasing 2 (whether they're part of the 4 or not I'm not sure?) to LH to work new Heathrow-Berlin and Milan routes! Info from FT article FT.com / Companies / UK companies - BMI cuts routes amid rising costs
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