BMI

[pointless username]

Source for this major tidbit?

[DTVAirport]

He won't have a credible source. Face it, no-one will know what LH has in store for BD until at the very earliest mid-January 2009. Anything else is pure rumour.

[Ian Brooks]

Big Bad
Your posts on the two BMI threads seem strange to me
"heard a rumour that the bishop of frog hall has sold out to the german's ?? can this be true ??"

It's a done deal, lufty are keeping 10% of slots for there own operation, whats left of bmi mainline going to BA. Baby is going to flybe

Please expand as your posts seem very vague and well !!!! what can I say, Strange
where did this bit of life changing ( for the employees at least) come from
Why would Lufthansa by BMI and only keep 10% slots and sell rest to BA
Maybe the Baby bit would work as it will make Flybe in to a major European carrier
What about bmi Commuter ops? cannot see BA wanting that but Flybe might

I think we all await a bit more info on this


Ian

[Bishop of Baku]

I am not suggesting credibility or otherwise with this story. This site is built upon rumor so I relay this one. Make of it what you will. It bothers me not what becomes of BMI other than the effect on friends.
The source of this was an aviation savvy computer service personnel. Allegedly

[SinBin]

Obviously true then!!

Lufthansa are a pretty responsible company. They have already been on the record to say that they will use the same successful model as with Swiss. An autonomous company withing the DLH group.

I have heard similar from a close friend who is a very senior manager at Swiss, who is in the know about this and all things going on within the DLH group. A possibility of 5 daily loss making slot pairings going to Swiss for a Heathrow-Geneva and others within the group of airlines, possibly under codeshare which would make sense. It's not as simple as 'selling slots'. They're not actually 'owned'.

[Certa Cito]

Mike Rutter Flybe commercial director) told me personally that Flybe have absolutely no interest in BMI Baby. Wrong business type and wrong aircraft type for the Flybe model.

Now Regional.......................mmm!

But the price would need to be right

[TwinAisle]

Another thought.... does anyone think even for a fraction of a second that BA would be allowed to have another 11% of the Heathrow slots? The Competition boys would be on them like a dog with fleas, spurred on, no doubt, by a whole host of other LHR users....

[CheekyVisual]

The truth of the matter is that no one outside LH knows what they are going to do with BMI come January. Most of what is "rumoured" in the previous 39 pages of rumour and speculation is just that. We all like to do it that's why we post here. Most of what is reported in the press doesn't come from a man listening at a window somewhere in Germany but comes from the previous 39 pages and others like them where we (who are deemed to have a good idea what is going on - which we haven't) are all speculating. As the saying goes "I have that on good authority". Well that's what a dustbin emptier at the FT told me !

Everything that is speculated here is an option I can't honestly say there is no chance BMI will disappear, Baby be closed and Regional end up as an offshoot of the mighty FlyBe. The problem is everytime I go to work now there is so much doom and gloom largely related to what has been reported on these pages I wonder, if like John Sergeant, the fun has finally gone out of it ! It's always worth a reminder to everyone getting hot under the collar or suicidal, read this site as you read the tabloid newspapers, remember 99% of it is entirely made up !

Anyway I never believe anything until the caterers tell me ! (The trouble is they get all their inside knowledge from here now as well !)

[doris1]

i've come to the conclusion that what will be will be... if i have a job in 3 months time, whether it be seeing out the last few "charter" bgi's/anu's and las's or transfering down to the rumour mill that is lhr then it's a bonus, looking for a new job, contemplating another training course or working 9 2 5 terrifies me, i like alot of people have become complacent with the fact that man was "safe", and now that the anouncement that l/h man is closing has had to wake me up.
like many people say on here, lets what and see mid jan what lh are going to do, cus speculating is all any of us are doing at the moment, and it doesn't make for a good working atmosphere, lets just do the job in hand for now and wait to see what the real outcome will be.
love the bit about the caterers

[Airbus215]

Doris
Perphaps the most sensible and level headed post on the subject todate.
And also one that cuts thru the sentiment of the situation at MAN L/Haul
Im sure that you will have a position at MAN or LHR and hope that whatever the outcome it will fit your personal circumstances.

[doris1]

thanks airbus,
hopefully we that want to move will all have jobs, only time will tell. i wouldn't mind though seeing some rosters and finding out what the mix is like before i decide, but no doubt i'll be transfering down, what's that old saying..... better the devil you know lol,
if we all have a positive outlook then maybe things will improve, job prospects anywhere at the moment are few and far between, but if i need to look elsewhere then so be it, but for the time being anyway i'm stuck with the hat and fabulous shoulder pads

[SimonS]

Says in the Saudi press today that BA will be flying to both Riyadh and Jeddah from 29th March, 5 times a week to each with a 777 and 767 respectively.

No need to go via Riyadh with BMI any more.

Thank you BMI and goodnight.

[lexxity]

Well can we have our 330 back @ MAN and keep the ORD then?

[IB4138]

Time for bmi management to fall on swords me thinks!

[SWBKCB]

BMI chief warns of worst-ever losses in 2008-09

from Flight :

BMI chief Nigel Turner is warning that the UK carrier will post its highest-ever losses this year, a plight which has prompted intensified cost-cutting and talk of restructuring. In an internal memo, distributed to BMI's staff on 26 November, Turner said: "Our financial results this year will produce the largest loss we have ever recorded by a considerable margin."

[spannerhead]

But he'll still honour a IRO 5% pay rise this April?

[Mr Flaps]

BA have over priced their tickets on this route. With a very price sensitive market out there. BA may be back flying to the Kingdom but how full will the flights be when there is a £500 diffferance between bmi and BA. With bmi being the cheaper option. Will be an interesting one to watch. I did not think bmi would survive on the TLV route with BA and ELAL but they are holding out pretty well.

[Max Angle]

I did not think bmi would survive on the TLV route with BA and ELAL but they are holding out pretty well.

This is true, TLV is often overbooked but I don't think we have much hope of competing with BA on Jeddah, they have a direct flight and we don't, end of story.

[isw21]

This may be why bmi are losing so much money then, their fares can't cover the costs

[SinBin]

Obvious choice would be double daily to AMM and TLV on 321, and direct Jeddah on the 330!! Use 3 loss making slot pairs! Negates using a barbie jet on shorthaul for slot filling purposes and would mean we were less overcrewed. Everone wins in the short term!