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A330 from Papa Westray
If the Japanese want (or maybe wanted) to fly a 747 on domestic routes in Japan, who's to say that an A330 one can't fly an A330 on domestic routes in the UK ? Tokyo or Papa Westray - they're both airports, right ? 
The LCCs found that if you gave the market enough of a stimulation, demand would appear. Maybe Loganair have decided to follow this approach ?
The LCCs found that if you gave the market enough of a stimulation, demand would appear. Maybe Loganair have decided to follow this approach ?
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This is the most interesting speculation for ages on here, however, the last big announcement that got me interested was the 'big' meeting that a certain poster raved about at Easyjet in easyland and it was nothing at all!
Is there an bmibaby implication re Manchester, apparently bmiregional is doing well compared to the other divisions so one would wonder if it related to Manchester maybe news on WW outfit?
Is there an bmibaby implication re Manchester, apparently bmiregional is doing well compared to the other divisions so one would wonder if it related to Manchester maybe news on WW outfit?
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BBc news quote ;
"Some of Europe's biggest airlines fared slightly better. British Airways saw traffic fall by 5.1%, while Germany's Lufthansa saw its increase by 4.2%.
By far the best performing airline was the UK-based BMI, which saw traffic increase by 22.8%. " !!!!!
can someone tell me where they got the bmi figure from....?
"Some of Europe's biggest airlines fared slightly better. British Airways saw traffic fall by 5.1%, while Germany's Lufthansa saw its increase by 4.2%.
By far the best performing airline was the UK-based BMI, which saw traffic increase by 22.8%. " !!!!!
can someone tell me where they got the bmi figure from....?
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If the yeilds are low for the MAN trans atlantic long haul operation, then it makes sense to get out of there and get into a higher yeild operation. Kuwait City and Lahore have been banded around for a few months, there's a huge potential market for Pakistan. IKA needs to be on a 330 too. An A321 is not suitable for that route, certainly not when I've done it. Apparently MB is has put in place a 10 year plan for bmi, at the last senior management conference whatever this means.
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Just as a side note, Fares on the MAN-ORD in economy have gone to over £1000 one way. Thats an indication the route is going to be canned, it puts people off booking it whilst not actually stating 'the route is pulled'
Might give an indication of the news
Might give an indication of the news
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Fares are still around £400 for ORD just checked random dates.
There are lots of people on this thread with location LONDON, who are willing the MAN base to close, thanks for that.
No doubt most of these people wont stick around for long even if LHR gets the A/C.
Just remember without MAN there would be no BMI longhaul!!!!!
There are lots of peoples jobs at stake, REMEMBER THAT.
There are lots of people on this thread with location LONDON, who are willing the MAN base to close, thanks for that.
No doubt most of these people wont stick around for long even if LHR gets the A/C.
Just remember without MAN there would be no BMI longhaul!!!!!
There are lots of peoples jobs at stake, REMEMBER THAT.
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"BBc news quote ;
"Some of Europe's biggest airlines fared slightly better. British Airways saw traffic fall by 5.1%, while Germany's Lufthansa saw its increase by 4.2%.
By far the best performing airline was the UK-based BMI, which saw traffic increase by 22.8%. " !!!!!
can someone tell me where they got the bmi figure from....? "
BBC is right but have quoted pax figures which are up due to adding BMED, what they doidn't say is that September LF is down 6%
Look here
"Some of Europe's biggest airlines fared slightly better. British Airways saw traffic fall by 5.1%, while Germany's Lufthansa saw its increase by 4.2%.
By far the best performing airline was the UK-based BMI, which saw traffic increase by 22.8%. " !!!!!
can someone tell me where they got the bmi figure from....? "
BBC is right but have quoted pax figures which are up due to adding BMED, what they doidn't say is that September LF is down 6%
Look here
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Fares are still around £400 for ORD just checked random dates.
There are lots of people on this thread with location LONDON, who are willing the MAN base to close, thanks for that.
No doubt most of these people wont stick around for long even if LHR gets the A/C.
Just remember without MAN there would be no BMI longhaul!!!!!
There are lots of peoples jobs at stake, REMEMBER THAT.
My profile may say london but I now live in manchester and am an avid supporter for its expansion of services.
Please do not assume I want the base to close, far from it. I actually wish bmi would see they are onto a good thing at manchester and hope that they dont re-locate the A330's to Heathrow
There are lots of people on this thread with location LONDON, who are willing the MAN base to close, thanks for that.
No doubt most of these people wont stick around for long even if LHR gets the A/C.
Just remember without MAN there would be no BMI longhaul!!!!!
There are lots of peoples jobs at stake, REMEMBER THAT.
My profile may say london but I now live in manchester and am an avid supporter for its expansion of services.
Please do not assume I want the base to close, far from it. I actually wish bmi would see they are onto a good thing at manchester and hope that they dont re-locate the A330's to Heathrow
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Thats fine virgin_cc_wannabe however there are alot of people within the compant that want and have always wanted MAN to fail.
There are some very senior and loyal people at MAN who will be tossed away without a second glance if and when this happens.
There are some very senior and loyal people at MAN who will be tossed away without a second glance if and when this happens.
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Adjusting to demand? Tell that to the JED pax, who now have to route via RUH. When BA come back next year with their JED service we'll lose all those pax, and given that JED can be full how are they gonna manage to sell seats ex-RUH to LHR if the a/c is full ex JED?
Classic bmi, build up a good loyal customer base, then p!ss 'em off.
Classic bmi, build up a good loyal customer base, then p!ss 'em off.
Just means the a/c get a bit more use rather than sitting on the ground in Jeddah for 5 hours (that's enough to fit in the extra legs).
Most people here have already figured that with a stop in RUH it makes sense to go via Dubai where EK has much better connections to UK (my UK home is about 30 mins from Gatwick).
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As a business they have no choice but to go where they can make the most money out of the assets they have. To suggest otherwise is naivety in the extreme. Manchester only got the A330s at the last minute when Plan A to fly them from LHR was blocked.
It's not about loyalty, it's about survival. Harsh, cold, uncomfortable, but unavoidable alas.
It's not about loyalty, it's about survival. Harsh, cold, uncomfortable, but unavoidable alas.
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I guess with oil at its (much) lower price, then MAN long haul becomes profitable again, just a shame they killed most of babys new routes in the "we're all doomed" mode a month or so ago. Still Ryanair will pick up the routes that baby leave PRG,WAW,MAD, LIS to name a few.
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then MAN long haul becomes profitable again
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just a shame they killed most of babys new routes in the "we're all doomed" mode a month or so ago. Still Ryanair will pick up the routes that baby leave PRG,WAW,MAD, LIS to name a few.
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bmi management lost any interest in Man longhaul a long time ago!
Manchester has a large catchment area of people who just don't want to fly out of LHR & all the hassle that goes with it. The long haul flights out of Manchester are busy most of the time - If bmi can get bums on seats ...... & they can! - maybe the simple answer was that they were not charging enough!!
Unfortunately, although the "BIG" announcement was cancelled for tomorrow, I'm sure it will be made sooner or later & the result will be the same .............. The end of long haul out of Man & the loss of a lot of jobs. Very sad.
Manchester has a large catchment area of people who just don't want to fly out of LHR & all the hassle that goes with it. The long haul flights out of Manchester are busy most of the time - If bmi can get bums on seats ...... & they can! - maybe the simple answer was that they were not charging enough!!
Unfortunately, although the "BIG" announcement was cancelled for tomorrow, I'm sure it will be made sooner or later & the result will be the same .............. The end of long haul out of Man & the loss of a lot of jobs. Very sad.
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Frankie it's pprune answer 1-01.
Tis not about load factor, it's about yield up front. The aircraft will yield more carting people round LHR mid haul than MAN long haul. Shame it's almost been announced in the same week MAN lose BA long haul too. That's a clue.
Tis not about load factor, it's about yield up front. The aircraft will yield more carting people round LHR mid haul than MAN long haul. Shame it's almost been announced in the same week MAN lose BA long haul too. That's a clue.
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But from what I understand, these 'rich' saudis are using their wealth and political standing to obtain 'complimentary' tickets.
Granted its filling the front cabin, but at what cost.
MAN-ORD is bmi's single most profitable service (on one flight code with one rotation a day, granted one or 2 LHR destinations may have more profit, but work on multiple rotations per day), with high load factors. To cut it would be senseless, but then again, most of BD's decisions are!
Granted its filling the front cabin, but at what cost.
MAN-ORD is bmi's single most profitable service (on one flight code with one rotation a day, granted one or 2 LHR destinations may have more profit, but work on multiple rotations per day), with high load factors. To cut it would be senseless, but then again, most of BD's decisions are!