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Are the 1900D's to replace aircraft in the fleet or for expansion?
Not sure how much longer RE will be allowed to operate the Irish PSO routes. I think the 19 seater NM fleet would be better suited to these routes compared to RE's ATR aircraft
The Irish PSO routes are:
DUB to CFN, LDY, NOC, GWY and SXL.
Not sure how much longer RE will be allowed to operate the Irish PSO routes. I think the 19 seater NM fleet would be better suited to these routes compared to RE's ATR aircraft
The Irish PSO routes are:
DUB to CFN, LDY, NOC, GWY and SXL.
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The Irish PSO routes are:
DUB to CFN, LDY, NOC, GWY and SXL.
DUB to CFN, LDY, NOC, GWY and SXL.
At least two of these routes will be cut next year if not three.
GWY will most lightly to go because the new motorway has cut the journey to 2hours. The rail services had improved a lot and it's near SNN and NOC
Sligo is also near NOC.
CFN or LDY may also be cut as both near each other.
Orange Aircraft Leasing are an ACMI operator so presumably Manx2 would continue to be a 'ticketing agency' as at present with the B190s being operated under the Orange AOC.
Recently they supplied B190 PH-RNG to Jetisfaction to operate their Munster-Poznan and Munster-Zurich scheduled services, operating under RNG flight numbers.
The choice of the B190 would suggest that Manx2 have longer sectors in mind for these aircraft and it will be interesting to see what these are.
Recently they supplied B190 PH-RNG to Jetisfaction to operate their Munster-Poznan and Munster-Zurich scheduled services, operating under RNG flight numbers.
The choice of the B190 would suggest that Manx2 have longer sectors in mind for these aircraft and it will be interesting to see what these are.
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So is the suggestion that Manx2 are going to acquire aircraft, then dry lease them to an operator, then wet lease them back? Interesting economics...
...and a further blurring of the status of both companies...
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...and a further blurring of the status of both companies...
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No, surely the assumption is that Orange already own/lease and operate the B190s in question and will simply supply them to Manx2 under an ACMI contract.
Manx2 will organise the schedules, the marketing and sell the seats etc. as now; an arrangement which seems to have worked well for them over the past few years and with which the CAA seem content.
That is nothing different to the current arrangements Manx2 have with FLM Aviation and Van Air Europe etc., so all perfectly straightforward economically.
Manx2 will organise the schedules, the marketing and sell the seats etc. as now; an arrangement which seems to have worked well for them over the past few years and with which the CAA seem content.
That is nothing different to the current arrangements Manx2 have with FLM Aviation and Van Air Europe etc., so all perfectly straightforward economically.
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Ah, light dawns, thanks Expressflight; from some postings on here and elsewhere I had garnered the impression that Orange were a true leasing company, not an operator in their own right.
Manx2 need to be a little careful going forward. The sort of arrangement they have is not exactly adored by the CAA or various parts of the European Commission (I know this first hand....) and hence our IOM chums are taking certain commercial and strategic risks...
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Manx2 need to be a little careful going forward. The sort of arrangement they have is not exactly adored by the CAA or various parts of the European Commission (I know this first hand....) and hence our IOM chums are taking certain commercial and strategic risks...
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I'm told that the CAA is already working to remove the exemption from the ATOL regulations which permits Manx2 to operate outside the legislation (and which allowed Martin Halstead to do the same for that matter, although I am not suggesting that the business structures of the two are/were comparable in any other way). It will not automatically mean that Manx2 will have to change or stop what it is doing, but if the CAA go ahead with the change, it will mean that Manx2 needs to obtain an ATOL licence and bonding (or pay ATOL passenger contributions) going forwards.
No, but they do have jurisdiction over airline seats sold in the UK by a company which doesn't hold an Operating Licence or equivalent thereof anywhere, so is therefore covered by the ATOL Regulations because it isn't an airline. So a Dutch tour operator, an IOM virtual airline or an American charterer of aircraft couldn't sell seats without an ATOL.
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Twin isle you sound like a sour old record and you keep asking the same question which has been answered lots of times before and you know it. Manx2 are a ticket provider for the AOC holder companys they show on the bottom of their website homepage.
Looking at the July IOM pax stats its not good news in the NW for any of the IOM operators. Manxy2 and BE are both losing pax to EasyJet but the total market is still DOWN not up like the airport boasted it would be when Easy came along. Its not looking good.
Looking at the July IOM pax stats its not good news in the NW for any of the IOM operators. Manxy2 and BE are both losing pax to EasyJet but the total market is still DOWN not up like the airport boasted it would be when Easy came along. Its not looking good.
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Well you failed to answer the question, IOMSpotter. Where is the ATOL?
I know they don't have an AOC. I probably know rather more about airline licensing than you do. But having an AOC is not the only requirement as regards flogging tickets.
Twin Aisle, btw.
I know they don't have an AOC. I probably know rather more about airline licensing than you do. But having an AOC is not the only requirement as regards flogging tickets.
Twin Aisle, btw.
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Twin Aisle, do you know what an ATOL is?
"Air Travel Organisers' Licensing (ATOL) is a United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) scheme to protect people who have purchased package holidays and flights from a member tour operator."
Manx2 is not a tour operator and is not arranging package holidays, so there is no requirement for it to have one, their own terms and conditions state:
"We will not sell seats to any person which are then to be resold or included in a package deal unless that person holds a valid ATOL. Manx2 is exempt from the need to hold an Air Travel Organiser's Licence (ATOL)."
The ATOL was designed to repatriate travellers stranded abroad to the UK if the company failed, Manx2 doesn't operate outside of the British Isles.
I can't see any reason they need to have one.
"Air Travel Organisers' Licensing (ATOL) is a United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) scheme to protect people who have purchased package holidays and flights from a member tour operator."
Manx2 is not a tour operator and is not arranging package holidays, so there is no requirement for it to have one, their own terms and conditions state:
"We will not sell seats to any person which are then to be resold or included in a package deal unless that person holds a valid ATOL. Manx2 is exempt from the need to hold an Air Travel Organiser's Licence (ATOL)."
The ATOL was designed to repatriate travellers stranded abroad to the UK if the company failed, Manx2 doesn't operate outside of the British Isles.
I can't see any reason they need to have one.
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Thank you for your patronising comment, gg190. I assure you I do know what an ATOL is, I have applied for enough of them. I am not sure you do however.
Forget Wikipedia, read the law direct from the horse’s mouth.
From the CAA website:
(my emphasis)
Capiche?
Oh, and before anyone says this doesn’t apply, the Airports and Civil Aviation (Amendment) Act 2001 passed in the House of Keys says it does; they defer to the Department of Transport in London on this one.
Further, gg190, you are incorrect about the territorial limits of ATOL. See above. No distinction is drawn in the legislation about the destination. An ATOL is required by agents selling domestic flights and holidays (where a flight is an element) as well.
Note that this scheme does not protect people who book with airlines – that doesn’t matter in this case, since Manx2 is NOT an airline. It has no AOC, no operating licence and operates no aircraft.
So I ask again - where is the consumer protection? Where is the ATOL?
Forget Wikipedia, read the law direct from the horse’s mouth.
From the CAA website:
All tour operators and travel firms selling air holiday packages and flights in the UK as a principal are required by law to hold a licence called an ATOL, and contribute to a central protection fund called the Air Travel Trust (ATT). In some cases they must also provide ATT with a bond
Capiche?
Oh, and before anyone says this doesn’t apply, the Airports and Civil Aviation (Amendment) Act 2001 passed in the House of Keys says it does; they defer to the Department of Transport in London on this one.
Further, gg190, you are incorrect about the territorial limits of ATOL. See above. No distinction is drawn in the legislation about the destination. An ATOL is required by agents selling domestic flights and holidays (where a flight is an element) as well.
Note that this scheme does not protect people who book with airlines – that doesn’t matter in this case, since Manx2 is NOT an airline. It has no AOC, no operating licence and operates no aircraft.
So I ask again - where is the consumer protection? Where is the ATOL?
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rather than boring some of us with this repetitive moaning, i suggest that you speak to the CAA, and then enlighten us.
Clearly you aren't content with the responses posted here. So please give it a rest.
rather than boring some of us with this repetitive moaning, i suggest that you speak to the CAA, and then enlighten us.
Clearly you aren't content with the responses posted here. So please give it a rest.
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My, my, people are defensive. As a professional on a professional website, I am asking a genuine question, and hoping for a genuine answer, rather than obfuscation with wikipedia entries.
I still look forward to one. Happy to approach the CAA direct, I talk to them a lot in any case. But was hoping for a less formal way of doing things...
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I still look forward to one. Happy to approach the CAA direct, I talk to them a lot in any case. But was hoping for a less formal way of doing things...
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