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Airways are cheaper than Motorways and Railways
Well - I didn't want to cross swords with you or anyone else over this,
If we agree that Wales is a nation (and I know that's arguable) then any nation needs to have good internal transport systems within its borders to hold it together as a viable economic entity. Wales doesn't have a north-south motorway or a north-south railway. It's also the poorest country in the UK. Is that cause and effect perhaps?
The cost of creating a Wales motorway system like Ireland's, linking together all the main conurbations of the country, would be prohibitively expensive. Building a rail system (at huge public cost) would be similarly uneconomic. In both cases creating the infrastructure would just cost too much to contemplate.
However, with (albeit subsidised) air transport there's no need to build anything. The airports are already there- all over Wales. Unlike tarmac and steel, the air itself costs nothing - and needs no maintenance. So even with a subsidy internal air transport is hugely more economical in terms of public expenditure than motorway or rail.
If the economy of Wales isn't revived and business doesn't prosper then everything - hospitals, schools, the whole lot will just go down the pan. We can't leave a whole nation to rot. It has to get moving.
If we agree that Wales is a nation (and I know that's arguable) then any nation needs to have good internal transport systems within its borders to hold it together as a viable economic entity. Wales doesn't have a north-south motorway or a north-south railway. It's also the poorest country in the UK. Is that cause and effect perhaps?
The cost of creating a Wales motorway system like Ireland's, linking together all the main conurbations of the country, would be prohibitively expensive. Building a rail system (at huge public cost) would be similarly uneconomic. In both cases creating the infrastructure would just cost too much to contemplate.
However, with (albeit subsidised) air transport there's no need to build anything. The airports are already there- all over Wales. Unlike tarmac and steel, the air itself costs nothing - and needs no maintenance. So even with a subsidy internal air transport is hugely more economical in terms of public expenditure than motorway or rail.
If the economy of Wales isn't revived and business doesn't prosper then everything - hospitals, schools, the whole lot will just go down the pan. We can't leave a whole nation to rot. It has to get moving.
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It is only right that the leading fare should be the same as the train. Afterall it is more convenient to travel by air than train especially with journey times etc.
I believe the plan was to have a larger aircraft and have certain number as currently priced then the remainder can be priced under the airlines own pricing structure to edge it to becoming comercially viable.
A study needs to take place in order to discover how much would a passenger be willing to pay to travel on the route. Also we need to discover who travels on the route.
The CWL-VLY service wasn't well advertised last time around under Highland Airways if it was advertised would it be more succesfull? On the other hand 18 seats can be too small if the operation is going to grow.
(The other option is the Gerallt Cymro rail service) North to South which is probably about 4 hours.
I believe the plan was to have a larger aircraft and have certain number as currently priced then the remainder can be priced under the airlines own pricing structure to edge it to becoming comercially viable.
A study needs to take place in order to discover how much would a passenger be willing to pay to travel on the route. Also we need to discover who travels on the route.
The CWL-VLY service wasn't well advertised last time around under Highland Airways if it was advertised would it be more succesfull? On the other hand 18 seats can be too small if the operation is going to grow.
(The other option is the Gerallt Cymro rail service) North to South which is probably about 4 hours.
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There is an old truism - all nations want three things; a national flag, a national anthem and a national carrier. Two of those are cheap...
Throwing money at problems and getting the state to pay for it all is the reason Wales is one of the poorer parts of the UK. Especially in a time when as a nation we owe eleventy billion quid to the rest of the world, the public sector is NOT the place where a solution to Wales airlinks should be found...
Up to a point, Lord Copper. Passengers who want to halve their journey time should be charged accordingly; start at 50% more than the train.
The problems with larger aircraft include (a) finding a carrier with a type A licence (bang goes Manx2 and their chums) and (b) watch the fares rise as APD cuts in.
Let the private sector do this if there is really a market, and stop the abuse of PSO and the PBT (poor bloody taxpayer)...
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Throwing money at problems and getting the state to pay for it all is the reason Wales is one of the poorer parts of the UK. Especially in a time when as a nation we owe eleventy billion quid to the rest of the world, the public sector is NOT the place where a solution to Wales airlinks should be found...
It is only right that the leading fare should be the same as the train. Afterall it is more convenient to travel by air than train especially with journey times etc.
I believe the plan was to have a larger aircraft and have certain number as currently priced then the remainder can be priced under the airlines own pricing structure to edge it to becoming comercially viable.
I believe the plan was to have a larger aircraft and have certain number as currently priced then the remainder can be priced under the airlines own pricing structure to edge it to becoming comercially viable.
The problems with larger aircraft include (a) finding a carrier with a type A licence (bang goes Manx2 and their chums) and (b) watch the fares rise as APD cuts in.
Let the private sector do this if there is really a market, and stop the abuse of PSO and the PBT (poor bloody taxpayer)...
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The flights on there website indicate that the BFS - GWY on the 5th and the GWY - ORK on the 2nd. About time there was a decent air link between these 3... rather than a bus!!!
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Manx2.com Launches Summer Season Special To Anglesey From The Isle Of Man
Manx2.com is launching a special summer season of flights in a bid to grow links between the Isle of Man and Anglesey. The flights, which are seen as a welcome boost for tourism and leisure throughout both Celtic countries, will take off from August 6 and will end a month later on September 6. Services will depart every Friday and Monday, with fares from just £39 single.
The news comes after Manx2.com recently launched flights twice a day between Anglesey and Cardiff. The contract, which runs until December, was awarded by the Welsh Assembly Government.
Chairman Noel Hayes said: “We are delighted to be able to offer passengers a unique opportunity to visit Anglesey by air. With such a beautiful destination only 50 miles across the Irish Sea, this summer season special is perfect for those who are keen to experience all North Wales has to offer, whether it be for a weekend break or the chance to reconnect with friends and relatives.”
Geoff Corkish MBE MHK, Political Member for Isle of Man Tourism, said: “This is a wonderful opportunity for our two islands to work together and benefit from. Both our island destinations have a lot to offer visitors. A big Manx welcome will be extended to our Welsh island visitors, whilst presenting us with a superb opportunity to visit Anglesey, just 50 miles away. Congratulations to Manx2.com for this tremendous link and boost for tourism, which we all hope will be another success for everyone involved and is an initiative that we in Isle of Man Tourism warmly welcome and support.”
Clive McGregor, Leader of the Isle of Anglesey County Council said: “This is good news for the airport and so soon after Manx2 took over the route to Cardiff. It is a great opportunity for visitors from the Isle of Man to visit Anglesey over the summer and vice a versa. I hope the venture is one we can build upon. Under the current difficult economic conditions we must make the most of every opportunity and this is one I very much welcome.”
When it comes to attractions, North Wales offers something to suit every taste, including castles, stately homes, gardens, lively family parks, art galleries, craft centres, museums and steam trains. Anglesey is surrounded by 125 miles of coastline and a host of historical sites whilst the North Wales Borderlands is dominated by the spectacular Clwydian hills and interesting market towns on Chester’s doorstep.
Manx2.com has also joined forces with Regency Travel in order to ensure a complete holiday package with accommodation for both inbound and outbound passengers. For more information please call Regency Travel on 694455.
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The news comes after Manx2.com recently launched flights twice a day between Anglesey and Cardiff. The contract, which runs until December, was awarded by the Welsh Assembly Government.
Chairman Noel Hayes said: “We are delighted to be able to offer passengers a unique opportunity to visit Anglesey by air. With such a beautiful destination only 50 miles across the Irish Sea, this summer season special is perfect for those who are keen to experience all North Wales has to offer, whether it be for a weekend break or the chance to reconnect with friends and relatives.”
Geoff Corkish MBE MHK, Political Member for Isle of Man Tourism, said: “This is a wonderful opportunity for our two islands to work together and benefit from. Both our island destinations have a lot to offer visitors. A big Manx welcome will be extended to our Welsh island visitors, whilst presenting us with a superb opportunity to visit Anglesey, just 50 miles away. Congratulations to Manx2.com for this tremendous link and boost for tourism, which we all hope will be another success for everyone involved and is an initiative that we in Isle of Man Tourism warmly welcome and support.”
Clive McGregor, Leader of the Isle of Anglesey County Council said: “This is good news for the airport and so soon after Manx2 took over the route to Cardiff. It is a great opportunity for visitors from the Isle of Man to visit Anglesey over the summer and vice a versa. I hope the venture is one we can build upon. Under the current difficult economic conditions we must make the most of every opportunity and this is one I very much welcome.”
When it comes to attractions, North Wales offers something to suit every taste, including castles, stately homes, gardens, lively family parks, art galleries, craft centres, museums and steam trains. Anglesey is surrounded by 125 miles of coastline and a host of historical sites whilst the North Wales Borderlands is dominated by the spectacular Clwydian hills and interesting market towns on Chester’s doorstep.
Manx2.com has also joined forces with Regency Travel in order to ensure a complete holiday package with accommodation for both inbound and outbound passengers. For more information please call Regency Travel on 694455.
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Not a positioner, the times don't match. Welcome additional use of the Valley facility. Pity the RAF don't allow the publicly funded airport enclave to benefit from the developing executive jet market using VYL.
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This is not a positioning leg. The flight operates 2 x per week Monday and Firday. This allows for weekend brakes and flights are being sold in conjuction with a local tour operator who will make weekend break packages.
The answer for 1 month only is quite simple, it is peak summer season and as the route has never been tried before is untested.
Manx2 has the aircraft to do for Wales what they are doing on the Isle of Man. I hope there is more good news to follow.
The answer for 1 month only is quite simple, it is peak summer season and as the route has never been tried before is untested.
Manx2 has the aircraft to do for Wales what they are doing on the Isle of Man. I hope there is more good news to follow.
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BHD-ORK Direct from 08 Sept 2010
Manx2 will start direct non stop flights from BHD to ORK from 08th September 2010.
Manx2 will take over the route from RE who will cease operation on the route from 31 August 2010
Manx2's timetable will be:
Belfast City - Cork
NM7100 BHD 07:50 ORK 09:00 1 2 3 4 _ _ _
NM7104 BHD 11:00 ORK 12:10 _ _ _ _ 5 _ _
NM7110 BHD 16:10 ORK 17:20 1 2 3 4 5 _ 7
Cork - Belfast City
NM7101 ORK 09:20 BHD 10:30 1 2 3 4 _ _ _
NM7105 ORK 12:30 BHD 13:40 _ _ _ _ 5 _ _
NM7111 ORK 17:40 BHD 18:50 1 2 3 4 5 _ 7
Manx2 will take over the route from RE who will cease operation on the route from 31 August 2010
Manx2's timetable will be:
Belfast City - Cork
NM7100 BHD 07:50 ORK 09:00 1 2 3 4 _ _ _
NM7104 BHD 11:00 ORK 12:10 _ _ _ _ 5 _ _
NM7110 BHD 16:10 ORK 17:20 1 2 3 4 5 _ 7
Cork - Belfast City
NM7101 ORK 09:20 BHD 10:30 1 2 3 4 _ _ _
NM7105 ORK 12:30 BHD 13:40 _ _ _ _ 5 _ _
NM7111 ORK 17:40 BHD 18:50 1 2 3 4 5 _ 7
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PSO routes have a minimum size requirement for the aircraft and Manx2 are under it.
However, there is considerable doubt over the future of PSO and in that case, Manx2 may have the perfect aircraft to operate some of the routes on a commercial basis.
However, there is considerable doubt over the future of PSO and in that case, Manx2 may have the perfect aircraft to operate some of the routes on a commercial basis.
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Cernarfon - Cardiff not a new route
As reported by the Wales Air Network news centre two days ago, the Caernarfon - Cardiff is not a new route to Manx2.com
It will be operated as a one day only due to operational restrictions/closure of RAF Valley / Anglesey airport.
This is to ensure to try and keep a 100% on time performance for the route, and Manx2 would rather operate the route rather than just cancelling it.
On the other hand, this maybe an idea to do the similar when RAF Valley/Anglesey airport is closed due to snow.
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As reported by the Wales Air Network news centre two days ago, the Caernarfon - Cardiff is not a new route to Manx2.com
It will be operated as a one day only due to operational restrictions/closure of RAF Valley / Anglesey airport.
This is to ensure to try and keep a 100% on time performance for the route, and Manx2 would rather operate the route rather than just cancelling it.
On the other hand, this maybe an idea to do the similar when RAF Valley/Anglesey airport is closed due to snow.
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Originally Posted by GLOworm
GLO-JER not bookable from October and reduced IOM-GLO - is this just over the winter?
Originally Posted by sawtooth
ORK - BFS was via GWY, will GWY switch to BHD also
The timetable could easily be changed on a Fri and Sun to incorperate the GWY-ORK-GWY sectors for example the aircraft could operate
BHD-ORK-BHD-GWY-BHD-ORK-GWY-ORK-BHD.
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Have Manx2.com ever reaccommodated passengers when they canceled a route - if not voluntarily right from the outset, maybe at least after a war of words? I am slightly worried as I am booked on the apparently now very last JER flight of the season (or ever....). I seriously hope that they are committed to indeed operate the route until late September and that they do not toy around with the idea of bringing the withdrawal further forward. Would be pretty nightmarish to get stranded on the rock with your next destination being another rock.... 
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I don't think Manx do consolidation....
I don't think Manx are like Flybe and I don't believe they do consolidate flights. Mathers is the expert here though so I would bow to his expertise.