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MD80 plane crash in Phuket, Sep. 07

Old 21st Sep 2007, 10:32
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Flight Recorders

Today's Bangkok Post has the following news item:-

"Department of Civil Aviation chief Chaisak Angsuwan said the process will take about a week.
After that, information will be forwarded to a committee investigating air crash, which will be chaired by permanent secretary of Transport Ministry, to verify the information and result.
Mr Chaisak said information will be revealed to public briefly, adding that detailed information will not be made public as they do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash."

They do not want to point their finger to the one responsible for the crash! Is this yet another example of ass-covering?
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Old 21st Sep 2007, 11:08
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Politicians and/or political appointees know about as much of aviation as some of the more insane posts on accident threads.

Finger pointing might start when the investigation is completed but at this juncture everything you read in the media, especially here is basically garbage.
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Old 21st Sep 2007, 12:06
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maybe the a CB was the approach path of Rw27? so the capt decides its better to land with 10kt tailwind
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Old 21st Sep 2007, 12:55
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maybe the a CB was the approach path of Rw27? so the capt decides its better to land with 10kt tailwind

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Old 21st Sep 2007, 14:13
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Ignition Override:
or for an airline ball point pen (Stilo, Kugel-), as is alleged at the European darling 'low-cost' carrier, RyanAir.
Oh believe me (and as you can probably tell from on here) it's no "darling" for the folk in the pointy end or the SLF.
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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 10:41
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Question

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In certain countries, I don't care if its a low cost or a main carrier, I just don't board the plane!

Dani
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Would you board the national carrier in Thailand ?

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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 13:04
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About as clear as mud!

Once again in todays Bangkok Post is this excerpt re the flight recorders

As readers peruse this newspaper, experts in several countries are well at work unravelling the facts around the last flight of the One-Two-Go plane. In due course, these facts will be known, and probably made public.

".....probably made public?" After all the media attention and speculation, whatever is determined, should be available not only to the aviation industry but the travelling public at large!
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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 13:14
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h_north,

Yes, to your question. And have done so over and over and over again.

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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 13:43
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Thai Airways is most probably one of the better national carriers in SE Asia.

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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 14:14
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…and interestingly, no non-Thai pilots employed.
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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 15:11
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The non Thais were "proudly" phased out in the wake of the 1997 financial crisis.

I try to avoid the A300 between BKK and HKT, otherwise I am quite relaxed flying J class on the 777 and 744 on that particular run.

One should bear in mind that the alternatives to air travel within Thailand are really quite unpalatable.

But my preferred carrier to HKT is MI by a long stretch.
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Old 22nd Sep 2007, 22:54
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One should bear in mind that the alternatives to air travel within Thailand are really quite unpalatable.
BKP are excellant. Nok Air pretty good also and very cost effective.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 01:17
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Thai Carriers

I spent most of my life living and flying in BKK for a few airlines. Orient Thai was ATROCIOUS. So was Thai Sky and Phuket Air. I could probably guess that a bad airplane combined with poor pilots was the excact reason for this. Who would land in Phuket with short runway, dangerous terrain, one Ils and one VOR? Not to point all the blame there, but Udom, the owner, would fire people for not breaking rules, even filling out the log book. If you could get ahold of them, they all say -nil. This is 1-2-Go's fault and mor specifically Orient Thai. Here is why... one time I got off of STBY at 8:00 pm. I had a few drinks with my girl before preparing for sleep. Scheduling calls me for a last minute Chaing Mai run. I inform them that I have condumed 5 glasses of jack and Coke. Do you know what they said???????? It's only a short flight and the Captain will do both legs... there is no one else! (I refused) I have a million other stories similar to this one which eventually got me dismissed for refusing to take a peice of airplane int CHina at night in bad weather. These people are dead because of CEO Udom, no one and nothing else. I hope it ruins them!
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 01:38
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I agree with Dani that Thai Inter is one of the best in the area along with Singapore Airlines (but some may disagree there). I've put both airlines at the top of my favourites list for many years. As for budget carriers, I've had no problems with Air Asia. I've never tried any of the others.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 01:50
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Pilot sent 'mayday' to tower

From today's Bangkok Post

The chief pilot of the ill-fated One-Two-Go airliner sent a distress signal to the control tower just before it crash-landed last Sunday, said Pornchai Ua-aree, director of Phuket international airport. The pilot used a ''mayday'' signal to ask for help just before the plane veered off the runway and crashed into an earth embankment.

Sqn-Ldr Pornchai, who briefed a delegation from the National Legislative Assembly (NLA) transport committee about last week's crash, said airport controllers had warned the pilot about gusting winds and rain.

He said the controllers received information [from the pilot] that as the aircraft was about to touch down, its wheels were out, but they did not touch the ground.

He cited the taped conversation between the air traffic controllers and the pilot.

''The chief pilot shouted 'mayday' repeatedly to ask for help until he lost contact with the control tower,'' Sqn-Ldr Pornchai said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/23Sep2007_news03.php
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 05:14
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Devil Any, agree comletely with your post, but you forgot to add the other culprits who get rid of the better trained pilots and promote xxxxxxx to Chief Pilot, like NAMFON, SOMMUIT and ONGAR.......they are just as culpable as Udom.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 05:35
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"Thai Airways is most probably one of the better national carriers in SE Asia."

A fine statement on the face of it, but look at the competiton... Thai is not (from my perspective as pax) in the same league with Singapore or Brunei and on a par on most competitive or comparable routes with Malaysia. From there you descend into the disgraceful atrocities that comprise the airlines and aviation cultures of Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar.

The fact that TG struggles to finish in the money in a four horse race is not a ringing endorsement.
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 09:28
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Phuket crash: Pilot sent mayday

2007-9-23 08:02
Bangkok - The pilot of the One-Two-Go budget airline that crashed in Phuket a week ago, killing 89 people, issued a distress signal to the airport tower before skidding off the runway, news reports said Sunday.
"The chief pilot shouted 'mayday' repeatedly to ask for help until he lost contact with the control tower," Pornchai Ua-aree, director of Phuket International Airport, told the Bangkok Post.
Controllers also received information from the pilot that although the aircraft's wheels were out they had not touched the ground, Porchai said.
On September 16, One-Two-Go flight OG269 landed at Phuket International Airport, 640 kilometres south of Bangkok, during a tropical rain storm and skidded off the runway into an embankment where it broke in two and burst into flames.
The accident killed 89 people, including 53 foreigners and 36 Thais. There were 41 survivors, of whom 23 were still in hospital as of Sunday.
Thai aviation authorities have sent the plane's two black box flight recorders to the US to determine the cause of the crash, which should be announced within a week.
The tragedy has, inevitably, raised questions about the safety standards of budget airlines which have proliferated worldwide as well is Asia.
Meanwhile, One-Two-Go, a privately owned no-frills' airline that has operated for the past eight years without a major accident, reported another rough landing on Saturday at Had Yai Airport, about 700 kilometres south of Bangkok.
Although the pilot managed to control the plane, at least one passenger was bruised when an overhead air-conditioning panel fell on top of him upon landing, news reports said.
On Thursday, Thai AirAsia, another budget airline operating in Thailand, had to return to Bangkok for an emergency landing after the pilot noticed a mechanical problem. No one was injured in the incident.
SAPA: http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=686425
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 16:15
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The Pilot???

It sounds like that airlines in Thailand operate aircaft with single crew?
Every single reference anywhere regarding this accident refers to the crew as THE PILOT.
Why oh why can't the barely intelligent media; papers and TV just get this one small thing right? It's PILOTS for sake!
I know it's not THAT important, but still winds me up! Fs
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Old 23rd Sep 2007, 18:00
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Every single reference anywhere regarding this accident refers to the crew as THE PILOT
Well, well, well ... I guess this forum has referred to "The Journo" more than once. Most news stories pass a greater number of people than you stuff into a cockpit...
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