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Old 21st May 2019, 07:27
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Indeed, that's the point.

Imagine you're picking up a family of, say, 2 adults and 2 infants, let's say 1 of the kids aged one, and the other three. You wait off airport until you get a call from the passengers that they're out of immigration, have their bags and are headed for the pick up area (that's how I work it when picking up my wife at EMA (I was dropping her off last night).

Clock starts ticking when the ANPR picks up your entry to the pick up are, and it takes 30 seconds to get from the electronic "barrier" to where your passengers are standing. You've then got to get all the baggage, pushchairs and paraphernalia into the boot, whilst trying to load secure two (probably tired and grouchy) young children into the car, load yourselves, belt up and get ready to move off. From bitter experience I can say it can take 2 minutes to get a 3 year old strapped into a car seat whilst they're mucking around and after their favourite toy. The younger one might be more cooperative! So probably another 4 minutes to get moving, towards the barriers and payment, which at EMA seems to take 30 seconds for each vehicle. 2 vehicles in front of you, and hey presto! EMA (or Manchester Airport Group in truth) gets an extra quid out of the customers. In all likelihood it will be more than that.

What sort of a bunch of robbing [email protected] do the airport management think they are?

The airport does (helpfully!!) advise that if you want longer you can spend 4 and park in the short stay carpark, but even that is double what you could have paid previously in the drop off / pick up zone.

The issue with the EMA zone is it really isn't fit for purpose. If you're picking up PAX at peak IT arrival times, with a couple of 738s disgorging from bucket and spade flights the area it totally unfit for purpose. If you have the misfortune to be dropping PAX off during one of these busy periods getting out of the area, for reasons previously stated within the allotted time frame is also a challenge.

I don't "do" social media; if I did I'm sure I'd be "taking to Twitter" to whinge bitterly.
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Old 21st May 2019, 07:33
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
What sort of a bunch of robbing [email protected] do the airport management think they are?
I've not been to EMA since I moved to the North West a few years ago... but as my local airport is the Home of MAG (owners of EMA), I feel I can answer this:

Professional, practised, and thoroughly robbing [email protected] That's what sort they are.
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Old 21st May 2019, 08:30
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I called in at Robin Hood Airport today, there it's 2 for 15 minutes, much more spacious and better laid out parking area, and far superior terminal layout. EMA needs to get it's act together methinks.
And where can you fly to from DSA compared to EMA? Is DSA really more spacious, or was there just nobody there?

It's not rip-off Britain - its paying for what you need. If it takes you a long time to load the car, it is no different than paying more cos you have to have hold bags rather than just a carry on.

An off repeated point, but in real terms flying is now dirt cheap - airports have to make money some how.
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Old 21st May 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
And where can you fly to from DSA compared to EMA? Is DSA really more spacious, or was there just nobody there?

It's not rip-off Britain - its paying for what you need. If it takes you a long time to load the car, it is no different than paying more cos you have to have hold bags rather than just a carry on.

An off repeated point, but in real terms flying is now dirt cheap - airports have to make money some how.
The drop off point is certainly more spacious and better laid out than it's EMA equivalent. The terminal is certainly better designed, though undoubtedly smaller in terms of square metres, but certainly fit for purpose, something that cannot be said for many airports, EMA included.

I absolutely accept that airlines baulk at paying for the services they use, one of EMA's two principal airline customers certainly falls into that category. I also accept that it was UK government over reaction to one incident that lead to dropping off passengers on terminal frontages being stopped (it hasn't in many other European countries) and enabled airports to milk the passenger in the way that EMA does. I even reluctantly accepted the 2 charge for 10 minutes as it was just about workable. However there comes a point where at busy periods it is pretty well physically impossible to get through the drop off area within the minimum charge period and that is unfair - plain and simple.
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Old 21st May 2019, 22:46
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Totally agree with you SWBKCB Although now Tui are taking their B788 up the road to DSA next year, maybe they will try and get a bit of extra revenue from the 300 extra pax per Dreamliner flight they will have
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Old 23rd May 2019, 22:40
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Hopefully they will spend the extra funds on the roads, I have visited third world countries with less potholes, the place is a disgrace, the road infrastructure is falling apart.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 22:52
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
The problem is that hub services have been tried, and failed. DUB (for North America), AMS with KLM, FRA and BRU with BMI / Star Alliance, for a variety of reasons, mostly the proximity of BHX and to a lesser extent LBA that makes multi-daily connections to serve these hubs properly unviable. If EMA / GCI can only muster 11 PAX out of the holiday season is dire, and frankly surprising. It make you wonder who is bank rolling the service. That might just have been a bad day.

Long haul passenger schedules are pie in the sky, won't happen - ever, not least because the airport's owners want to attract that traffic to MAN first, and then STN. Again BHX with it's limited long haul is one hour down the road from Nottingham, Derby and Leicester so where is the business case for Emirates, Qatar, Air India or PIA - who serve the VFR traffic opportunities that undoubtedly exist from those three East Midlands cities?

Cargo is the business for EMA, along with bucket and spade traffic to European destinations. Sadly, it looks as though some new business in the way of Cargo Logic may have gone to DSA; surely one that EMA would have wanted to capture. However against that the parcels integrators continue to grow and prosper.

So far as road infrastructure is concerned, once again the Department for Transport has spent millions not improving the access to the MI from the A453 westbound, with traffic still queuing over a mile towards the J24 island at peak times because they have done half a job (no different to what they to across the UK road network by the way) by not putting in proper sliproad directly on to the M1 and flying the A453 over the M1. They'll be doing it all again in 5 years time! Then there is Donnington Park, and whenever there a big events getting to the airport is difficult and stressful. Dualing the A453 past the airport was obvious, but hasn't been done, I don't know if it has even been considered. The local authorities need to sort out whether they want a worldclass regional airport or a racing circuit / entertainment venue. Presently the two don't work together
Totally agree, the airport needs a direct entrance off junction 23a, the A453 should have been upgraded to dual carriageway to the race track, the East Mids railway hub is miles from the place, the new freight development over the other side of the runway should have had the rail spur extended up to the terminal.
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Old 25th May 2019, 09:19
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Jet2.com Summer 2020

Jet2.com (LS/EXS) Summer 2020 schedule finally released. Two new destinations Izmir (ADB) and La Rochelle (LRH) and going up to 8x based B738s (that's correct, no more 733's).
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Old 26th May 2019, 13:38
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post


Totally agree, the airport needs a direct entrance off junction 23a, the A453 should have been upgraded to dual carriageway to the race track, the East Mids railway hub is miles from the place, the new freight development over the other side of the runway should have had the rail spur extended up to the terminal.
That railway line off which the distribution development spur runs could be a very useful asset for EMA, and for the wider Midlands infrastructure, cutting out, as it would, the dog leg for passenger train services from Nottingham to Birmingham that takes them via Derby, and lengthens the journey time by minimum 10 minutes. Were the whole line to be upgraded, allowing higher speeds, and Castle Donnington station reinstated at Hemington, which a little ingenuity a free shuttle bus could be put in place for to transfer rail passengers from the new station to EMA passengers could be attracted to EMA from towns like Tamworth where the airport of choice would undoubtedly be BHX. EM Parkway could also be served by free shuttle bus. Problem is with such ideas is they require a mentality for a joined up, integrated public transport system, which appears to be an incomprehensible concept to UK planners.
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Old 26th May 2019, 15:23
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That railway line off which the distribution development spur runs could be a very useful asset for EMA, and for the wider Midlands infrastructure, cutting out, as it would, the dog leg for passenger train services from Nottingham to Birmingham that takes them via Derby, and lengthens the journey time by minimum 10 minutes. Were the whole line to be upgraded, allowing higher speeds, and Castle Donnington station reinstated at Hemington, which a little ingenuity a free shuttle bus could be put in place for to transfer rail passengers from the new station to EMA passengers could be attracted to EMA from towns like Tamworth where the airport of choice would undoubtedly be BHX. EM Parkway could also be served by free shuttle bus. Problem is with such ideas is they require a mentality for a joined up, integrated public transport system, which appears to be an incomprehensible concept to UK planners.
Well it seems to have happened at SEN with it's own on airport station and up to eight trains an hour into London. However the railway seems to be more u/s these days with the line closed for 'necessary maintenance and upgrading'.
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Old 26th May 2019, 18:45
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Hopefully they will spend the extra funds on the roads, I have visited third world countries with less potholes, the place is a disgrace, the road infrastructure is falling apart.
Sums it up very nicely
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Old 26th May 2019, 21:17
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Just lucky??

Reading all the bad things about EMA here I was beginning to think I'd picked a 'wrong 'un' in forsaking BHX for EMA this year. So with some trepidation on May 12th we set off on our first round trip of the year.
Distance is 15 miles more but took only 5 minutes longer than to BHX. Traffic via M42/A42 was 'normal', certainly not as manic as M6. Only issue was the roundabout at Donington Services etc where traffic flies round there and you just have to pick a gap and go for it. The A453 was fine (its only a mile or so on it anyway) and road surface was OK inc airport roads.
Check in was 9am. I expected busy but Jet2 had us done in 10 mins. I had bought Express Security based on BHXs long queues but there WAS no queue, or very minor, so probably wasted my money there.
After following the ubiquitous black sparkly path of 'Duty Free' into Airside we felt it was all quite laid back and not always in your face like BHX. Gate info was clear and boarding didnt need a bus or airbridge. Might have felt different if it had been raining. Lol.
On time departure.
Inbound arrival was on time too.
Baggage carousels were 'busy' - 3 flights allocated to one carousel - but even so, doors open to being in Meet & Greet Reception was no more than 20/25 mins.
No biometrics for Passports, the good old-fashioned personal check working well.
Y'know what - instead of dreading the next run, end June, we're actually looking forward to it.
Were we just lucky?
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Old 28th May 2019, 08:03
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EMA Parking & Land Side

I remember the day when the parking was completely free for 2 hours, and you could go for a pint upstairs (landside) in the Departures Hall and watch the Aircraft come and go from the spectators balcony. ahhh they were the days!
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Old 28th May 2019, 08:19
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I remember the day when the parking was completely free for 2 hours, and you could go for a pint upstairs (landside) in the Departures Hall and watch the Aircraft come and go from the spectators balcony. ahhh they were the days!
Ah, memories! Back in the day when our kids were little we used to go for the afternoon to MAN plane-spotting.
In those days (70's) you could walk right out to the end of the Piers and there was a Cafe on top of the main building for refreshments. Good Times gone forever.
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Old 28th May 2019, 08:22
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Ah, memories! Back in the day when our kids were little we used to go for the afternoon to MAN plane-spotting.
In those days (70's) you could walk right out to the end of the Piers and there was a Cafe on top of the main building for refreshments. Good Times gone forever.
Ostensibly in the name of security; in truth in the pursuit of profit. Doesn't have to be like that. Look at examples in Germany and The Netherlands and compare and contrast.
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Old 28th May 2019, 13:34
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Used to be good times at EMA as a kid with the viewing area looking out at the TEA uk, Britannia, Air Europe etc jets.

Birmingham had the viewing area in the terminal also and Heathrow on top of the Queens Building. Shame I can't take the kids to these places, yet when we went Vienna and Amsterdam these area's still exist and are actively encouraged with tours etc.

Manchester and EMA at least have the viewing parks I guess... Heathrow have that tiny stand outside the Renaissance!
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Old 28th May 2019, 16:40
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I remember the day when the parking was completely free for 2 hours, and you could go for a pint upstairs (landside) in the Departures Hall and watch the Aircraft come and go from the spectators balcony. ahhh they were the days!
In the old days you could pitch up and leave the car there for hours, go up to the spectator terrace and wait for the odd Viscount movement. The reply from EMA will be go park in the long term car park and get the shuttle bus in - in America they have {free} cell phone car parks where you can wait then pitch up when your passenger calls you from outside.
It's only about profit and EMA don't get a to$$ about punters.
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Old 28th May 2019, 19:23
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I see that all the roads at EMA have now been plastered with double red lines and signs saying if you stop you will be fined 100 !!!!. The whole place seems to be becoming very aggressive in its approach to life.
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Old 28th May 2019, 20:12
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I see that all the roads at EMA have now been plastered with double red lines and signs saying if you stop you will be fined 100 !!!!. The whole place seems to be becoming very aggressive in its approach to life.
That's as may be but coming out of EMA on May 25, heading for A42, couldnt help but notice the little Fiat parked on that bit of waste land on the blind exit on the first roundabout or the two cars parked up a closed off ex-access road on the left immediately before the A42/M1 roundabout..
Where there's a will - -.?
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Old 28th May 2019, 20:33
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It's only about profit and EMA don't get a to$$ about punters.
Heaven forbid that an airport makes a profit! Why is that a bad thing?
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