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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:17
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JET2 fleet at EMA - all middle aged?

Just looking at recent ins and outs at EMA, it struck me that the current 5 are all middle- aged i.e. 17- 20 years old.
GDFY Silver/Red Jet2 livery 18 yrs old. Ex-TravelService
JZHF Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-Transavia
JZHH Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-TransAero
DRTN Silver/Red Jet2 livery 17 yrs old. Ex Rossiya
DRTE Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-TransAero
Is this just a WinterSchedule thing or is EMA the Po' Boy of Jet2 bases with none of new aircraft?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 21:39
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it's surely irrelevant provided that the aircraft turn up on time for their planned services and deliver customers from A to B as booked. if they don't, there's a debate to be had - but there could be any number of reasons including trying to burn hours before the aircraft's next major check if EMA is a high winter utilisation base (which I don't think it is) or trying to conserve hours to string out the date for the next major check if EMA base is low utilisation. Or there may be a group of older aircraft sharing a flying programme between them at EMA if aircraft parking there is cheaper than elsewhere in the network. Either way, I doubt the typical customer will have any inkling - or even give a stuff if they had - about it?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:31
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Originally Posted by sixchannel View Post
Just looking at recent ins and outs at EMA, it struck me that the current 5 are all middle- aged i.e. 17- 20 years old.
GDFY Silver/Red Jet2 livery 18 yrs old. Ex-TravelService
JZHF Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-Transavia
JZHH Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-TransAero
DRTN Silver/Red Jet2 livery 17 yrs old. Ex Rossiya
DRTE Silver/Red Jet2 livery 19 yrs old. Ex-TransAero
Is this just a WinterSchedule thing or is EMA the Po' Boy of Jet2 bases with none of new aircraft?

the newer built 737ís stay away from
newcastle too but do occasionally visit.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
it's surely irrelevant provided that the aircraft turn up on time for their planned services and deliver customers from A to B as booked. if they don't, there's a debate to be had - but there could be any number of reasons including trying to burn hours before the aircraft's next major check if EMA is a high winter utilisation base (which I don't think it is) or trying to conserve hours to string out the date for the next major check if EMA base is low utilisation. Or there may be a group of older aircraft sharing a flying programme between them at EMA if aircraft parking there is cheaper than elsewhere in the network. Either way, I doubt the typical customer will have any inkling - or even give a stuff if they had - about it?
Quite so Flightrider. Pre using Jet2 we were long time Monarch flyers and they had some pretty elderly aircraft, some of which are still flying elsewhere, without problems.
It was simply an observation, based on looking at Jet2 flights out of EMA for a few days. Yes, sad I know but for this year we've made EMA our airport of choice instead of BHX as FUE isn't a second rotation, returning home at Stupid O'clock.
Be interesting to see when Summer programme kicks in (and our first flights this year are before then) whether I'm right though.
Shudder the thought but could Jet2 be winding down its EMA flights to benefit BHX?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by DanAir89 View Post



the newer built 737ís stay away from
newcastle too but do occasionally visit.
Should change now its all 737-800 as JZBK is months old and is based now
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 18:30
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Who is going to take over at EMA on the Flybmi routes now? Loganair have taken some, it was bad enough when Flybe was taken over and timetables have been changed, who is coming to the rescue at EMA
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 19:35
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I often think it was a shame EZY left EMA, which in hindsight was probably a couple of years premature. They could've picked up the slack by BmiBaby with the likes of PRG, VCE, NCE as well as a solid hold on BFS, GLA, EDI, AMS, CDG etc. even the likes of JER, BOD, LIS, NAP would have potential. Unfortunately for them, that boat largely sailed with Jet2 and Flybe having firmly established themselves in the region. Had is gone that way I think EMA would almost resemble a LPL (but with the holiday TOM / MT's of the world) or a mini BRS type passenger operation today.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 07:23
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When Easy left EMA they were all about building up Gatwick. The fundamental problem is that EMA is too close to Birmingham - it will continue with a largely leisure and freight operation but little more. it really is in the right place for freight- the so called "golden triangle" (truck to anywhere in the UK in 4 hours).

As posted elsewhere the small aircraft business travel activity is not sustainable these days unless there is sector specific support ( e.g.oil, banking) or a public subsidy.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 08:30
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Originally Posted by Trev4521 View Post
Who is going to take over at EMA on the Flybmi routes now? Loganair have taken some, it was bad enough when Flybe was taken over and timetables have been changed, who is coming to the rescue at EMA
Loganair are currently running a recruitment campaign for flights and cabin crew aimed at former BM crew.
https://www.loganair.co.uk/recruitment-drive/
The application form (link below) asks applicants to select a prefered based from a list of 10 airports. 6 of the airports listed are airports that are not currently Loganair bases. One of the airports is EMA. So it looks like Loganair are planning to take over the BRU route in the near future.
https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-conten...-Crewdocx.docx

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 12:17
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Not sure if anyone from EMA reads this forum but parts of the inner ring roads as well as the approach in to the small roundabout could dearly do with re-surfacing.
Doesn't give a good impression of the Airport
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Old 11th Mar 2019, 22:47
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I think the road situation maybe due to all of the development at the airport ie UPS new cargo hub plus the massive distribution centres being constructed, maybe this is a contribution to the state of the roads. The Airport is going down in my view we have the opportunity to have a rail line with HS2 maybe we could incorporate it to have a rail link stopping at EMA that would relieve alot of traffic on the roads. It's ok having the warehouses but we need NEW routes developing and USA scheduled services that we were promised when EMA was taken over by MAG
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 07:46
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As much as I'd like to see long haul from EMA I can't see it happening any time soon. I feel that maintaining some of our existing routes/frequency may be a problem in itself. For a variety of reasons ABZ/BRU/GLA/EDI have all been hit recently. GR694 had a total of eleven pax yesterday and you have to wonder how viable the route is out of season. A hub service is required so that people like me could use the airport again but there's no sign of that happening at the moment. Cargo has been, and may well continue to be, the main growth area - having the worldwide freight connections on our doorstep has helped our business no end and I would guess it has encouraged many others to locate in the vicinity - so I don't think it's all doom and gloom!
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Crusher1 View Post
As much as I'd like to see long haul from EMA I can't see it happening any time soon. I feel that maintaining some of our existing routes/frequency may be a problem in itself. For a variety of reasons ABZ/BRU/GLA/EDI have all been hit recently. GR694 had a total of eleven pax yesterday and you have to wonder how viable the route is out of season. A hub service is required so that people like me could use the airport again but there's no sign of that happening at the moment. Cargo has been, and may well continue to be, the main growth area - having the worldwide freight connections on our doorstep has helped our business no end and I would guess it has encouraged many others to locate in the vicinity - so I don't think it's all doom and gloom!
The problem is that hub services have been tried, and failed. DUB (for North America), AMS with KLM, FRA and BRU with BMI / Star Alliance, for a variety of reasons, mostly the proximity of BHX and to a lesser extent LBA that makes multi-daily connections to serve these hubs properly unviable. If EMA / GCI can only muster 11 PAX out of the holiday season is dire, and frankly surprising. It make you wonder who is bank rolling the service. That might just have been a bad day.

Long haul passenger schedules are pie in the sky, won't happen - ever, not least because the airport's owners want to attract that traffic to MAN first, and then STN. Again BHX with it's limited long haul is one hour down the road from Nottingham, Derby and Leicester so where is the business case for Emirates, Qatar, Air India or PIA - who serve the VFR traffic opportunities that undoubtedly exist from those three East Midlands cities?

Cargo is the business for EMA, along with bucket and spade traffic to European destinations. Sadly, it looks as though some new business in the way of Cargo Logic may have gone to DSA; surely one that EMA would have wanted to capture. However against that the parcels integrators continue to grow and prosper.

So far as road infrastructure is concerned, once again the Department for Transport has spent millions not improving the access to the MI from the A453 westbound, with traffic still queuing over a mile towards the J24 island at peak times because they have done half a job (no different to what they to across the UK road network by the way) by not putting in proper sliproad directly on to the M1 and flying the A453 over the M1. They'll be doing it all again in 5 years time! Then there is Donnington Park, and whenever there a big events getting to the airport is difficult and stressful. Dualing the A453 past the airport was obvious, but hasn't been done, I don't know if it has even been considered. The local authorities need to sort out whether they want a worldclass regional airport or a racing circuit / entertainment venue. Presently the two don't work together
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 22:15
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I agree with you last comment. (Regrettably) time the persons at the airport to promote EMA and not just sit back in their ivory towers and get paid every month. With extras pay due to the cargo operations that is the only part making the profit. Another thing i check regually on prices i:e Jet2 it is more expensive to fly from EMA than BHX just because it's 45miles away.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Trev4521 View Post
Crusher1
Another thing i check regularly on prices i:e Jet2 it is more expensive to fly from EMA than BHX just because it's 45miles away.
not true.....RASK (revenue per available seat kilometre) are broadly similar....
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