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BE has to be a strong contender, looking to take on BD on the German routes. I wouldn't be terribly pleased about that, as it would put the LH interline/codeshare at risk in favour of point to point traffic.
Or maybe BE will establish a 3x daily to their hub at EXT
Other, more helpful, possibilities:
LX to ZRH
SK to CPH
IB to MAD
OS to VIE
TK to IST
That list gets pretty unlikely, pretty quickly. Completely off my even wildest suggestions would be AF, AZ, TP, LO. BA doesn't get a mention because whilst Bristol is *British*, it can't have a route to LHR or LGW. So BA are out.
Didn't BE say they'd done very well with their temporary/lashed up CWL-LCY route whilst the Severn Tunnel was closed?
Looking forward to another busy year's flying from BRS. Happy New Year.
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I quite fancy Flybe coming to brs to be honest. I think France should be their target tho. Lots of unserved or underserved markets there notably Lyon , Biarritz and Rennes for example.
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I'm not sure about Flybe. Their experience at BRS in the past has not always been positive, not least because easyJet came onto their French routes in the past leading Flybe to abandon them. easyJet seems set on further growth at BRS and Flybe might be concerned that lightning would strike again.
Anyway, they have bases at EXT and CWL although I don't know how successful they are in attracting passengers from the BRS core catchment.
Some of the airlines that B_T suggests would be in competition with easyJet to such cities as Vienna, Copenhagen and Madrid. I'm not sure that there would be sufficient demand for competition on these routes - maybe Madrid.
If the 'strong rumours' have legs then all sorts of airlines are possible, some obviously less likely than others: Jet2, Vueling, Norwegian, Eurowings are a few of perhaps the more unlikely ones but, outside these airlines and the airport, who knows?
Turkish Airlines were rumoured strongly to be looking at BRS a couple of years ago with one or two serious aviation analysts suggesting that the airport was on the airline's radar. That seems to have gone quiet. Qatar is also being talked about again in the BRS 'chattering classes' but that may be wishful speculation at the turn of the year coupled with a report a year or so ago that the Qatar UK chief said that they were looking at the South West.
As we keep saying, for an airport with such physical limitations, poor surface connectivity and unhelpful weather at times (although perversely BRS has seen a large number of inbound weather diversions this week from other temporarily closed UK airports) its continual passenger and route expansion shows the potential market that exists.
Anyway, they have bases at EXT and CWL although I don't know how successful they are in attracting passengers from the BRS core catchment.
Some of the airlines that B_T suggests would be in competition with easyJet to such cities as Vienna, Copenhagen and Madrid. I'm not sure that there would be sufficient demand for competition on these routes - maybe Madrid.
If the 'strong rumours' have legs then all sorts of airlines are possible, some obviously less likely than others: Jet2, Vueling, Norwegian, Eurowings are a few of perhaps the more unlikely ones but, outside these airlines and the airport, who knows?
Turkish Airlines were rumoured strongly to be looking at BRS a couple of years ago with one or two serious aviation analysts suggesting that the airport was on the airline's radar. That seems to have gone quiet. Qatar is also being talked about again in the BRS 'chattering classes' but that may be wishful speculation at the turn of the year coupled with a report a year or so ago that the Qatar UK chief said that they were looking at the South West.
As we keep saying, for an airport with such physical limitations, poor surface connectivity and unhelpful weather at times (although perversely BRS has seen a large number of inbound weather diversions this week from other temporarily closed UK airports) its continual passenger and route expansion shows the potential market that exists.
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Let's have some fun speculation around that new scheduled airline.
BE has to be a strong contender, looking to take on BD on the German routes. I wouldn't be terribly pleased about that, as it would put the LH interline/codeshare at risk in favour of point to point traffic.
or maybe BE will establish a 3x daily to their hub at EXT
Other, more helpful, possibilities:
LX to ZRH
SK to CPH
IB to MAD
OS to VIE
TK to IST
That list gets pretty unlikely, pretty quickly. Completely off my even wildest suggestions would be AF, AZ, TP, LO. BA doesn't get a mention because whilst Bristol is *British*, it can't have a route to LHR or LGW. So BA are out.
BE has to be a strong contender, looking to take on BD on the German routes. I wouldn't be terribly pleased about that, as it would put the LH interline/codeshare at risk in favour of point to point traffic.
or maybe BE will establish a 3x daily to their hub at EXT
Other, more helpful, possibilities:
LX to ZRH
SK to CPH
IB to MAD
OS to VIE
TK to IST
That list gets pretty unlikely, pretty quickly. Completely off my even wildest suggestions would be AF, AZ, TP, LO. BA doesn't get a mention because whilst Bristol is *British*, it can't have a route to LHR or LGW. So BA are out.
LX - Would be a nice Star Alliance addition, but given Helvetics history on the route, granted not supported by LX, I can't see it. Although ZRH is one of the major cities not served from BRS.
SK - CPH. ARN didn't perform hence them not returning for Summer 2016 and EZY already operate, whereas no-one currently operated to ARN
IB - MAD. Doubtful given Iberia Express starting CWL-MAD
OS - VIE. Definitely a good suggestion. Austria does well during the Winter.
TK - IST - Perfect operator to test the East Long Haul market, otherwise maybe QR?
LO - Could be a wild card. There's lots of Poland flights, so could work.
BA - They do operate summer flights from other regional Airports With Cityflyer EMB's. So I wouldn't completely discount them.
AZ - Probably not in any position to be trying new routes
AF - Tried and tested. Could effect the KL flights, but could work.
It wouldn't surprise me if Norwegian were considering BRS - NYC. A low cost operation would probably work better than CO who relied more on J cabin sales.
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MV - I can't shake off the years of BM being BD!
VIE - I put VIE lower on my list because it's a long block time from BRS, and not very useful for Western European hubbing. It would really only make sense for flying into Eastern Europe (which might go into decline) and onto OS' modest long-haul network. I'm not sure BRS-VIE point-to-point traffic is sustainable, even when VIE is looking gorgeous in the wintertime. They're taking delivery now of their new E195 aircraft, but I think they're pretty much 1:1 for the F100s.
ZRH - my thinking behind ZRH is that LX have a strong hubbing operation out of ZRH, a pretty attractive long-haul network, and they're taking delivering of their C-Series aircraft which would be "right-size" for BRS-ZRH (and less gas-guzzling than the Jumbolinos). They're also not afraid, bizarrely, of undercutting LH on fares ex-UK.
BE - quite happy for them to stay at CWL and EXT.
LO - they're up to their eyes in problems, and UK-Eastern Europe traffic is low-margin and likely to get under a lot of pressure in a few years. They can't possibly go head-to-head with FR and W6.
DY - would certainly be a wildcard. They have a base at LGW from which they operate TATL flights - MAN, BHX and EDI are pretty much all bucket-and-spade out of Spanish bases. If WW fold from BRS in March, then I think it's very unlikely we'd see a DY 787 trying to do TATL out of BRS. Even at the very limits of possibility, it still only makes sense (IMO) for an airline with connecting opportunities into the rest of the US - UA / AA / DL.
TK and QR - I just can't see the available traffic flows to fill a 737 or 330 to IST/DOH. It's a long block time, and they both already fly from BHX and LHR. Maybe I'm being harsh on TK.
EW - I think EW might arrive, but only because LH have said they're going to wrap SN into the EW business unit (which has the SN fliers up in arms about what it means for the future of SN, although many have pointed out that SN's service levels are already pretty EW-orientated). Otherwise, why put EW onto DUS/TXL/HAM etc. against EZY and "partners" BM?
It would be good to see a new scheduled airline arriving that isn't primarily leisure focused, not least because it feels like discretionary leisure travel is going to come under pressure in the coming years. As someone travelling fairly regularly to the US and Europe, the decline in the pound has had a painful effect on costs.
MV - I can't shake off the years of BM being BD!
VIE - I put VIE lower on my list because it's a long block time from BRS, and not very useful for Western European hubbing. It would really only make sense for flying into Eastern Europe (which might go into decline) and onto OS' modest long-haul network. I'm not sure BRS-VIE point-to-point traffic is sustainable, even when VIE is looking gorgeous in the wintertime. They're taking delivery now of their new E195 aircraft, but I think they're pretty much 1:1 for the F100s.
ZRH - my thinking behind ZRH is that LX have a strong hubbing operation out of ZRH, a pretty attractive long-haul network, and they're taking delivering of their C-Series aircraft which would be "right-size" for BRS-ZRH (and less gas-guzzling than the Jumbolinos). They're also not afraid, bizarrely, of undercutting LH on fares ex-UK.
BE - quite happy for them to stay at CWL and EXT.
LO - they're up to their eyes in problems, and UK-Eastern Europe traffic is low-margin and likely to get under a lot of pressure in a few years. They can't possibly go head-to-head with FR and W6.
DY - would certainly be a wildcard. They have a base at LGW from which they operate TATL flights - MAN, BHX and EDI are pretty much all bucket-and-spade out of Spanish bases. If WW fold from BRS in March, then I think it's very unlikely we'd see a DY 787 trying to do TATL out of BRS. Even at the very limits of possibility, it still only makes sense (IMO) for an airline with connecting opportunities into the rest of the US - UA / AA / DL.
TK and QR - I just can't see the available traffic flows to fill a 737 or 330 to IST/DOH. It's a long block time, and they both already fly from BHX and LHR. Maybe I'm being harsh on TK.
EW - I think EW might arrive, but only because LH have said they're going to wrap SN into the EW business unit (which has the SN fliers up in arms about what it means for the future of SN, although many have pointed out that SN's service levels are already pretty EW-orientated). Otherwise, why put EW onto DUS/TXL/HAM etc. against EZY and "partners" BM?
It would be good to see a new scheduled airline arriving that isn't primarily leisure focused, not least because it feels like discretionary leisure travel is going to come under pressure in the coming years. As someone travelling fairly regularly to the US and Europe, the decline in the pound has had a painful effect on costs.
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TK and QR - I just can't see the available traffic flows to fill a 737 or 330 to IST/DOH. It's a long block time, and they both already fly from BHX and LHR. Maybe I'm being harsh on TK.
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Hello again B_T. Happy New Year.
Neither can I. Wasn't me who pointed it out. 
Do you mean OS point to point traffic? easyJet seems to be doing pretty well with loads on VIE (last winter and last summer) - don't know yield of course. They continue at 2 x weekly through this winter and through summer 17.
Helvetic used to operate into BRS with no connectivity at ZRH unlike the routes they operate for Swiss. Passenger numbers were rising steadily when they pulled the plug with regular monthly load factors into the 60s% - obviously not to the airline's liking for all that.
easyJet at up to 6 x daily in part of the ski season (plus some winter charters) has made BRS-Geneva the busiest UK GVA route outside London airports for the past few years (in terms of annual passenger numbers). When easyJet began BRS-Basel just over a year ago I thought that 4 x weekly was an overkill and initially the loads didn't seem that great (by easyJet standards). However, they persisted with 4 x weekly throughout last summer, the current winter and into next summer. Loads rose and, importantly, don't seem to have affected the easyJet GVA loads.
As both routes are point to point only there is a persuasive argument that a Swiss airport with connectivity would bear serious consideration.
I too have doubts that a transatlantic point to point airline would would succeed at BRS especially if it operated into the New York area secondary airports. Bristol area travellers are notoriously difficult to prise away from LHR for their long haul scheduled travel at any time, although the CO BRS-EWR loads were good until the recession began to bite but seemingly not the yield.
Interestingly, articles have appeared in both the Bristol and Plymouth press in the past week telling readers of the Norwegian operation from EDI to the USA. The articles suggest that people from the South West could reach EDI by easyJet from BRS. There is no indication that easyJet and Norwegian are in any way embarking on a code share so, presumably, anyone trying this would be on their own if the easyJet flight was cancelled or seriously delayed. I don't know who initiated these articles - I would assume Norwegian - but the idea does seem (as Americans would say) a bit out of left field.
Of the two, Qatar seems to me the more likely, although how likely is still a moot point. As SWBKCB points out, the Turkish market is not what it was even a year or two ago.
I've found a link to the report that Qatar was looking at the South West although that doesn't necessarily mean BRS.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar...nd-612899.html
MV - I can't shake off the years of BM being BD!
VIE - I put VIE lower on my list because it's a long block time from BRS, and not very useful for Western European hubbing. It would really only make sense for flying into Eastern Europe (which might go into decline) and onto OS' modest long-haul network. I'm not sure BRS-VIE point-to-point traffic is sustainable, even when VIE is looking gorgeous in the wintertime. They're taking delivery now of their new E195 aircraft, but I think they're pretty much 1:1 for the F100s.
ZRH - my thinking behind ZRH is that LX have a strong hubbing operation out of ZRH, a pretty attractive long-haul network, and they're taking delivering of their C-Series aircraft which would be "right-size" for BRS-ZRH (and less gas-guzzling than the Jumbolinos). They're also not afraid, bizarrely, of undercutting LH on fares ex-UK.
easyJet at up to 6 x daily in part of the ski season (plus some winter charters) has made BRS-Geneva the busiest UK GVA route outside London airports for the past few years (in terms of annual passenger numbers). When easyJet began BRS-Basel just over a year ago I thought that 4 x weekly was an overkill and initially the loads didn't seem that great (by easyJet standards). However, they persisted with 4 x weekly throughout last summer, the current winter and into next summer. Loads rose and, importantly, don't seem to have affected the easyJet GVA loads.
As both routes are point to point only there is a persuasive argument that a Swiss airport with connectivity would bear serious consideration.
DY - would certainly be a wildcard. They have a base at LGW from which they operate TATL flights - MAN, BHX and EDI are pretty much all bucket-and-spade out of Spanish bases. If WW fold from BRS in March, then I think it's very unlikely we'd see a DY 787 trying to do TATL out of BRS. Even at the very limits of possibility, it still only makes sense (IMO) for an airline with connecting opportunities into the rest of the US - UA / AA / DL.
Interestingly, articles have appeared in both the Bristol and Plymouth press in the past week telling readers of the Norwegian operation from EDI to the USA. The articles suggest that people from the South West could reach EDI by easyJet from BRS. There is no indication that easyJet and Norwegian are in any way embarking on a code share so, presumably, anyone trying this would be on their own if the easyJet flight was cancelled or seriously delayed. I don't know who initiated these articles - I would assume Norwegian - but the idea does seem (as Americans would say) a bit out of left field.
TK and QR - I just can't see the available traffic flows to fill a 737 or 330 to IST/DOH. It's a long block time, and they both already fly from BHX and LHR. Maybe I'm being harsh on TK.
I've found a link to the report that Qatar was looking at the South West although that doesn't necessarily mean BRS.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar...nd-612899.html
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I remember when lx tried zrh back in the 80s I think. it was classed as their first uk route at the time. cant remember how long it lasted, but the reason said was low load factors.that was before the loco started and made flying in reach of most every one.
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I've seen a few rumours of airlines like FR and EZY acting as feeders into DY, but I rather feel that these have been put out by DY to test the water rather than being active discussions. I can't imagine anything more nightmarish than FR and DY both strenuously denying that it wasn't their fault that your bags didn't make it to their destination.
If LX turned up, it would be a turn up. They're already at LHR and BHX, so adding BRS would make them quite concentrated in this corner of the UK. Maybe they'd get BM to wetlease, as SN does?
Would Jet2 want to operate out of BRS? Maybe in a W from one of their European destinations, but against EZY/FR, it feels like a long shot.
I look at my rough estimate of daily pax between the point-to-point airlines and the hub routes, and I think it's about 10:1, maybe a bit more. It feels like there's still opportunity in the European business/hub destinations.
If LX turned up, it would be a turn up. They're already at LHR and BHX, so adding BRS would make them quite concentrated in this corner of the UK. Maybe they'd get BM to wetlease, as SN does?
Would Jet2 want to operate out of BRS? Maybe in a W from one of their European destinations, but against EZY/FR, it feels like a long shot.
I look at my rough estimate of daily pax between the point-to-point airlines and the hub routes, and I think it's about 10:1, maybe a bit more. It feels like there's still opportunity in the European business/hub destinations.
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WOW
WOW has now put summer 2017 into its booking engine for BRS-KEF, plus transatlantic connections.
The timetable starts on 14 June at 3 x weekly (as last summer) which means there will be a break of service from the end of March.
The timetable starts on 14 June at 3 x weekly (as last summer) which means there will be a break of service from the end of March.
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December 2016
BRS has now published its own passenger figures which show that 501,585 passengers were handled in December 2016 an increase of 22.31% on December 2015.
The airport also reports that 2016 saw 7,532,298 passengers, up 11.3% on 2015.
The airport also reports that 2016 saw 7,532,298 passengers, up 11.3% on 2015.
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New route commencing this winter. Cologne 4 x weekly. It will be BRS's sixth German route but the first by Ryanair.
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It's BA (presumably BA CityFlyer) with weekend routes commencing in May to Malaga, Palma, Ibiza and a brand new route for BRS to Florence, using Embraer 190 aircraft.
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BACF S17 BRS Schedule
Below are details of BACF planned S17 schedule for BRS. All flights will operate on a Saturday. FLR will be operated by a 76 seat E170. IBZ/AGP & PMI will be operated by a 98 seat E190SR, All flights will offer both Club Europe and Euro Traveller products.
Florence
BA7017 BRS 13:10 FLR 16:25 E70 6
BA7016 FLR 11:05 BRS 12:25 E70 6
Ibiza
BA7019 BRS 15:25 IBZ 18:50 E90 6
BA7018 IBZ 13:10 BRS 14:40 E90 6
Malaga
BA7021 BRS 16:00 AGP 19:40 E90 6
BA7020 AGP 13:30 BRS 15:15 E90 6
Palma
BA7023 BRS 16:30 PMI 19:55 E90 6
BA7022 PMI 14:15 BRS 15:45 E90 6
Florence
BA7017 BRS 13:10 FLR 16:25 E70 6
BA7016 FLR 11:05 BRS 12:25 E70 6
Ibiza
BA7019 BRS 15:25 IBZ 18:50 E90 6
BA7018 IBZ 13:10 BRS 14:40 E90 6
Malaga
BA7021 BRS 16:00 AGP 19:40 E90 6
BA7020 AGP 13:30 BRS 15:15 E90 6
Palma
BA7023 BRS 16:30 PMI 19:55 E90 6
BA7022 PMI 14:15 BRS 15:45 E90 6
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When I checked recently I found this to be the programme for the coming summer. There is a Saturday Paris Cdg for the first time and Milan Malpensa has increased to 5 x weekly (I think from 3 x weekly last summer). There may also be an increase in Hamburg from summer 2016 with a second rotation on Mondays.
Milan Malpensa 5 x weekly - M, W/Th (out W, back Th), F, Sa and Su
Paris Cdg 12 x weekly - daily Sa and Su; 2 x daily M-F;
Dusseldorf 9 x weekly - daily, M, F and Su; 2 x daily Tu, W and Th
Frankfurt 18 x weekly - daily Sa, 2 x daily Su; 3 x daily M-F
Hamburg 7 x weekly - daily T-F and Su; 2 x daily M
Munich 13 x weekly - daily Sa; 2 x daily M-F and Su
Aberdeen 11 x weekly - daily Su; 2 x daily M-F
Ontario Teachers to sell minority stakes in two British airports - source
There are reports that Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (OTPP) the sole owners of BRS are looking to sell a minority stake in the airport and a minority stake in BHX in which they have an approximate 50% interest.
The reports suggest that OTPP wants to remain invested in BRS and BHX but are 'looking to take advantage of strong demand from pension funds and other long-term investors for the often-attractive returns on offer from high-quality infrastructure'.
Milan Malpensa 5 x weekly - M, W/Th (out W, back Th), F, Sa and Su
Paris Cdg 12 x weekly - daily Sa and Su; 2 x daily M-F;
Dusseldorf 9 x weekly - daily, M, F and Su; 2 x daily Tu, W and Th
Frankfurt 18 x weekly - daily Sa, 2 x daily Su; 3 x daily M-F
Hamburg 7 x weekly - daily T-F and Su; 2 x daily M
Munich 13 x weekly - daily Sa; 2 x daily M-F and Su
Aberdeen 11 x weekly - daily Su; 2 x daily M-F
Ontario Teachers to sell minority stakes in two British airports - source
There are reports that Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (OTPP) the sole owners of BRS are looking to sell a minority stake in the airport and a minority stake in BHX in which they have an approximate 50% interest.
The reports suggest that OTPP wants to remain invested in BRS and BHX but are 'looking to take advantage of strong demand from pension funds and other long-term investors for the often-attractive returns on offer from high-quality infrastructure'.
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Ive tried searching online for pictures of the proposed jetways that are either in place or intended to be at Bristol Airport, can anyone confirm that they are in place and if there are any photos available.
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None in place although planning consent has been given. The popular theory amongst followers is that they won't be installed until the airport hosts long haul scheduled flights, if it ever does.
This video gives a general idea but it's for illustrative purposes only and any jetways won't necessarily be installed in the places shown on the video. The video is around six years old and a substantial part of the expansion shown is now in place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJfH...ature=youtu.be
This video gives a general idea but it's for illustrative purposes only and any jetways won't necessarily be installed in the places shown on the video. The video is around six years old and a substantial part of the expansion shown is now in place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJfH...ature=youtu.be