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Old 5th Dec 2006, 23:08
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Leonides,

don't really understand how GB are going to incur great expense by re-organising their insurance.... are you suggesting the aircraft are uninsured past March 31st, or are just insured elsewhere more expensively???

The airline saved many many thousands changing handling to Aviance and engineering to Virgin recently, perhaps this "re-insurance" is just another part of KH's re-structuring of the airline...

But with GB at the moment, who knows!!!!!!

BPM

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Old 6th Dec 2006, 11:05
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i travelled through Gib the other day, and when I disembarked, the aircraft steps were painted up in a new livery,.... GIBAIR (like the old logo),.... I asked the ground agent local chap who told me it was a sticker that had gone up last week sometime,..........

If WW did utter those words, they may be his true thoughts, but they were uttered to devalue GB as a company, highlighting the possibility of a take over by mainline. They need the planes to replace the 73's. Pilots may be disposed to the Orange brigade. Equally with the Groud handling, I hear Big Airlines wants to pull shorthaul out of LGW alltoether,... so by losing the contract, they can legitimately sack a load of engineers and loaders.

I have also heard that GB will start again from Gibraltar, GIBAIR, keeping two aircraft (after the sale), and basing them down there. I hear flygib has really got up JG's nose, and is affecting his monopoly on the rock!

Interesting times ahead for you guys

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Old 6th Dec 2006, 17:04
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interesting stuff, bean.

It's really unsettling being at an airline without a clear and defined future. Hope it all gets sorted out soon.

Why do i get the feeling we'll be the last to know though!!

BPM
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Old 6th Dec 2006, 17:11
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So much rubbish. Amazing. Only SID knows what's really happening. C'mon SID give us more!!
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Old 6th Dec 2006, 17:20
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Don't GB only have a couple of routes across Europe? Im pretty sure its not that much.
ps. Why don't they have their own livery (just wondering)
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Old 6th Dec 2006, 19:41
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Originally Posted by beauport potato man View Post
....The airline saved many many thousands changing handling to Aviance and engineering to Virgin recently.....
BPM

Hmmmmmm we'll see! They may get a better quality of service from Virgin but in the long run they will charge em for every rivet.
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Old 6th Dec 2006, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Tim Bucks= UT Pilot View Post
ps. Why don't they have their own livery (just wondering)
If you look in a dictionary for the word "Franchise" you may be enlightened.
(Then again maybe not!)
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 02:23
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With Virgin doing the engineering now expect to see an increase in ADDs. This isn't a slight on Virgin Engineering, who I am sure do an excellent job maintaining their own aircraft, but the grim reality of outsourced engineering contracts. Whatever the contract was won for the price will have been too low to cover rectifying every ADD as it occurs, instead they may well be defered until the aircraft next visits the hangar.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 08:53
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It makes me laugh how some here live in their own little dream worlds. The chances of BA buying GB or BMed are so remote. As Oxidant points out, these companies operate as a franchise for BA. The reason BA doesn't dervice the destinations with it's own aircraft is cost. BA can't operate these routes and make the profits (if some of them are?) that these two companies can. So to incorporate them in to BA would be a complete 'No Brainer'!

The nearest that you could hope to become as far as inclusion within BA would be for them to buy either the company outright but keep it operating separately e.g. like CitiExpress was. Or to invest a large stake in the company, such as 51%. Either way there would be no merging of seniority lists and no sudden hikes in T & C's. Sorry to burst that bubble but that's reality for you.

Personally though, I think that both of the above are way off the mark from WWs plans. I don't think that BA are in the market for investing in airlines at this time. I think they have much bigger fish to fry such as sorting out all the problems with the ground side of things at Terminal 4 where customers and staff are become disillusioned with the ground handling and vicariously with BA for the hours they spend waiting for bags or tugs etc. The last few flights I've operated have been delayed by 2 hours because of this. Connecting passengers just won't want to fly again with BA if this continues much longer. This inside problem has to be hurting BA, BMed and GB.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 11:43
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"I don't think that BA are in the market for investing in airlines at this time. I think they have much bigger fish to fry"


In November this year BA paid 19 million euros to increase its stake in Iberia from 9% to 10%.

Not much money in the bigger scheme of things, but definately investing in airlines.

BPM
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 12:03
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I was talking in the present/future tense not the past BPM.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 12:12
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It was 3 weeks ago - So not that far in the past!!!

But i know what you mean.

I don't think anyone on this forum has any clue what'll become of GB next year. We can only guess....

KH and WW certainly have a plan, but i don't think for a second the Gagerro's will be happy to stand around and watch their little airline (one of the oldest around) fall down the toilet.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 12:43
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Agreed. Something will happen for sure. GB is a good going concern. There is no reason why someone would not wish to invest/merge or take over the company and thats providing the current board don't wish to continue in the driving seat. Interesting times ahead but definitely not doom and gloom by any stretch of the imagination. Likewise, nothing to say that any future plans will be made public in the next couple of months. Until the ink is dry and the company has everything in place, I think it will continue to be rumours abound for the next couple of months at least.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Oxidant View Post
If you look in a dictionary for the word "Franchise" you may be enlightened.
(Then again maybe not!)

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh right i see thanks
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 14:48
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Originally Posted by take_that View Post
Interesting times ahead but definitely not doom and gloom by any stretch of the imagination.
HMM, seem to remember similar comments just before Big Airways "took over" Dan.
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Old 7th Dec 2006, 17:40
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BPM,
A plan, a cunning plan......Bugger !!!!!!!! I think the great escape is about to start. It's time to dust off that CV.
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Old 8th Dec 2006, 10:26
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Too late!! I know 9 Skippers and 12 FOs actively looking already,.........


Besides, with a 6 month waiting list for an Orange interview, its no wonder people are preparing to jump ship

FP
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Old 8th Dec 2006, 12:02
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Originally Posted by Frank Poncherello View Post
Too late!! I know 9 Skippers and 12 FOs actively looking already,.........

FP
WOW! i might get off the last page of the seniority now.....
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Old 8th Dec 2006, 13:17
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Originally Posted by phantom menace View Post
BPM,
A plan, a cunning plan......Bugger !!!!!!!! I think the great escape is about to start.
It is with great regret that the escape committee has to announce that the escape has been cancelled..TFN..
DW has got stuck in the tunnel
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Old 9th Dec 2006, 09:34
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"The nearest that you could hope to become as far as inclusion within BA would be for them to buy either the company outright but keep it operating separately e.g. like CitiExpress was. Or to invest a large stake in the company, such as 51%. Either way there would be no merging of seniority lists and no sudden hikes in T & C's. Sorry to burst that bubble but that's reality for you."

Ummmm, actually most of us definitely don't want to be bought by BA. NO thanks!
Would much rather be bought by Virgin!
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