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I'm all for good debate and prune use to be informative, funny and most of all interesting, but over the years this has all but gone, all the professionals I talk to all say it has descended into a slagging match and has been hijacked by people who either are arm chair experts, or use it for personal vendettas against previous employers or just jump on the bandwagon for a good old bitch.
OK point taken but please tell me what has post No 88 got to do with the thread subject?
This space above is freely provided by PPRuNe for touch and go to provide the list of other UK operators with an ETOPS suspension in the last 18 years.
OK point taken but please tell me what has post No 88 got to do with the thread subject?
This space above is freely provided by PPRuNe for touch and go to provide the list of other UK operators with an ETOPS suspension in the last 18 years.
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I was pretty suprised to read this on the BALPA website. Unusually strongly worded and to the point!
Media & Press • Wednesday, October 31, 2007 NEWS from BALPA
British Airline Pilots’ Association
Thursday 18th October 2007
PILOTS ‘NOT SURPRISED’ AT SCOTTISH AIRLINE LICENCE LOSS
Commenting on today’s announcement that FlyGlobeSpan’s special “ETOPs” long haul operating licence has been withdrawn by the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), Captain Mervyn Granshaw, Chairman of the British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA), said:
‘In our opinion the three major attributes that are present in all the world’s safer airlines are:
‘First, pilots are treated as professionals, are respected and are encouraged to work in partnership with the employer and there is not a high turnover indicating safety fears.
‘Secondly, the airline registers itself in a state that has a competent civil aviation authority e.g. UK CAA. This can be seen from the registration letters which for the UK all start with ‘G-‘
‘Thirdly, there is an experienced and safety conscious management that does not challenge aircraft Commanders on points of safety.’
‘The evidence suggests this is not the case in FlyGlobeSpan and BALPA is not surprised at the CAA’s decision.’
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Editor’s Note:
FlyGlobeSpan is s Scottish airline based at Edinburgh.
British Airline Pilots’ Association
Thursday 18th October 2007
PILOTS ‘NOT SURPRISED’ AT SCOTTISH AIRLINE LICENCE LOSS
Commenting on today’s announcement that FlyGlobeSpan’s special “ETOPs” long haul operating licence has been withdrawn by the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), Captain Mervyn Granshaw, Chairman of the British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA), said:
‘In our opinion the three major attributes that are present in all the world’s safer airlines are:
‘First, pilots are treated as professionals, are respected and are encouraged to work in partnership with the employer and there is not a high turnover indicating safety fears.
‘Secondly, the airline registers itself in a state that has a competent civil aviation authority e.g. UK CAA. This can be seen from the registration letters which for the UK all start with ‘G-‘
‘Thirdly, there is an experienced and safety conscious management that does not challenge aircraft Commanders on points of safety.’
‘The evidence suggests this is not the case in FlyGlobeSpan and BALPA is not surprised at the CAA’s decision.’
End
Editor’s Note:
FlyGlobeSpan is s Scottish airline based at Edinburgh.
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Secondly, the airline registers itself in a state that has a competent civil aviation authority e.g. UK CAA. This can be seen from the registration letters which for the UK all start with ‘G-‘
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Why are people getting so personal with people commenting on GSM (in both positive and negative ways)? Lets face it, GSM are a poor airline. They blame others for their own mistakes, and they're the only airline in many years to have their ETOPS license taken away. How can anyone defend that..?
At the end of the day, they're "Scotland's Airline" and I wish them all the best.. I hope they get their act together as I believe with the right moves they can become a fantastic airline. For the moment though, they're too greedy. Until they start thinking about their passengers, I'll be ashamed that their "Scotland's Airline".
It's sad to think that only a year or 2 ago they were a promising airline... until they started longhaul routes, leasing their aircraft and leasing aircraft from other airlines. In fact, ever since they moved from Aviance to Alba (GSM's own handling agent) in Glasgow, the delays have got worse. I'm assuming it's not Alba's fault as Alba are GSM.
At the end of the day, they're "Scotland's Airline" and I wish them all the best.. I hope they get their act together as I believe with the right moves they can become a fantastic airline. For the moment though, they're too greedy. Until they start thinking about their passengers, I'll be ashamed that their "Scotland's Airline".
It's sad to think that only a year or 2 ago they were a promising airline... until they started longhaul routes, leasing their aircraft and leasing aircraft from other airlines. In fact, ever since they moved from Aviance to Alba (GSM's own handling agent) in Glasgow, the delays have got worse. I'm assuming it's not Alba's fault as Alba are GSM.
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Following this years shambolic performance at Teesside this year, and having done what they can to hasten the demise of that Airport, GSM can remain as "Scotlands Airline".I fear for the future of Scots Commercial Aviation!
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GSM appear to have brought their routes and A/C back to GLA/EDI for W07, and hopefully they'll be able to get back on track for S08 starting up. The ABZ base will be seasonal again for S08 with 1 A/C operating much the same routes except taking over the AGP route from ZB. THe GLA base looks like it'll be 5 A/C for SH and 2 A/C for longhaul. EDi is 5 based SH and MME is 1 based A/C for SH.
According to news reports, LPL is being looked at again for restarting the JFK flights in Spring. I don't see them being direct to JFK, more like via NOC again. And there were mentions of another route or 2 being served from LPL by GSM, possibly SFB/BOS?
NOC routes all sold very well, and i wouldn't be surprised if GSM set up base there year-round direct from NOC-JFK/BOS/SFB.
All the Canadian routes are due to go on sale again for S08 in a few weeks time, there are rumours that they sold so well this summer that there is going to be 6 daily flights (just hoping on our own A/C!).
According to news reports, LPL is being looked at again for restarting the JFK flights in Spring. I don't see them being direct to JFK, more like via NOC again. And there were mentions of another route or 2 being served from LPL by GSM, possibly SFB/BOS?
NOC routes all sold very well, and i wouldn't be surprised if GSM set up base there year-round direct from NOC-JFK/BOS/SFB.
All the Canadian routes are due to go on sale again for S08 in a few weeks time, there are rumours that they sold so well this summer that there is going to be 6 daily flights (just hoping on our own A/C!).
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They've got a new DFO and lets give them a chance. After all he has the support of his line crews, and if the CAA deemed them unsafe, then they wouldn't be operating would they? They got their ETOPS back after 10 days and it was due originally to an engineering cock up NOT a Flight Ops issue, now was there anything else or can we let this matter rest?
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The short haul aircraft at GLA and EDI have low utilisation which should help with recovering from delays
Does that include the YYC/YVR aircraft. And what about BOS - long haul route, short haul aircraft 
THe GLA base looks like it'll be 5 A/C for SH and 2 A/C for longhaul.
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Yeah it does include the YVR and YYC routes. The BOS route was showing as having business class next year. I'd imagine it'll go on either a B752 or a B73G again. It probably won't be daily though, unless it goes via NOC. The loads were good going direct to BOS from GLA but were sold out on most flights going via NOC. Think GSM have hit a little goldmine with NOC longhaul. I don't think there will be any expansion of longhaul routes for S08 other than what we see SFB/YVR/YYC/YHM/JFK/BOS routes from the UK. I think this is best too - focus on building these routes up and then build up some more gradually.
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More faces than a town hall clock....
Having just been made redundant this week, with not even a thanks for your hard work,and being MAN/LPL based I find it amazing that in the same week GSM are harking on about expanding from LPL with this route and that route the truth is that most LPL pax would rather walk then suffer the same delays and dreadful customer service they received this summer( and they would probably get there quicker ) .
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It is good, I can see NOC becoming a base over in Ireland for GSM once the open skies is in effect from March 08. If these routes are to start in Spring they better get them online for booking.
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Gsm Noc-bos/jfk
NOC-BOS/JFK did well because two US based tour operators took hard blocks on all the flights, taking on 40-50% of the inventory depending on the month. Plus as GSM pulled the plug on the LPL JFK and GLA BOS non-stops due to underperformance they moved passengers to the through flights via NOC which took up even more space. Nevertheless, NOC did perform well overall and has a future, just hopefully with a more responsible airline.
The people at IWA Knock did a superb job marketing it as well and it was disheartening to see how poorly GSM served the route. Numerous and lengthy delays, no accurate flight information, and GSM's famously disgraceful take or leave it customer service mentality all contributed to an overall less than satisfactory experience.
Nevertheless, NOC did perform well overall and has a future with the right aircraft on several TATL routes, just hopefully with a more responsible airline.
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The people at IWA Knock did a superb job marketing it as well and it was disheartening to see how poorly GSM served the route. Numerous and lengthy delays, no accurate flight information, and GSM's famously disgraceful take or leave it customer service mentality all contributed to an overall less than satisfactory experience.
Nevertheless, NOC did perform well overall and has a future with the right aircraft on several TATL routes, just hopefully with a more responsible airline.
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Long-haul plan:
1 x 767 on Sanford
1 x 767 on Vancouver: Mon MAN/DUB/YVR, Tue LGW/YYC/YVR, Wed GLA/YYC/YVR, Thu nil, Fri MAN/YYC/YVR, Sat GLA/YYC/YVR, Sun LGW/YYC/YVR
1 x 757 on Hamilton: Mon LGW/YHM, Tue MAN/YHM, Wed LGW/SNN/YHM, Thu MAN/YHM, Fri DUB/YHM, Sat LGW/YHM, Sun MAN/YHM
1 x 737-800 in Hamilton: Mon LPL/KEF/YHM, Tue BRS/KEF/YHM, Wed BHX/KEF/YHM, Thu DSA/KEF/YHM, Fri NCL/KEF/YHM, Sat EDI/KEF/YHM, Sun BFS/KEF/YHM.
1 x 737-800 in Glasgow: Mon GLA/NOC/BOS, Tue GLA/KEF/YHM, Wed GLA/KEF/YHM, Thu GLA/NOC/BOS, Fri GLA/KEF/YHM, Sat GLA/KEF/YHM
1 x 767 on Sanford
1 x 767 on Vancouver: Mon MAN/DUB/YVR, Tue LGW/YYC/YVR, Wed GLA/YYC/YVR, Thu nil, Fri MAN/YYC/YVR, Sat GLA/YYC/YVR, Sun LGW/YYC/YVR
1 x 757 on Hamilton: Mon LGW/YHM, Tue MAN/YHM, Wed LGW/SNN/YHM, Thu MAN/YHM, Fri DUB/YHM, Sat LGW/YHM, Sun MAN/YHM
1 x 737-800 in Hamilton: Mon LPL/KEF/YHM, Tue BRS/KEF/YHM, Wed BHX/KEF/YHM, Thu DSA/KEF/YHM, Fri NCL/KEF/YHM, Sat EDI/KEF/YHM, Sun BFS/KEF/YHM.
1 x 737-800 in Glasgow: Mon GLA/NOC/BOS, Tue GLA/KEF/YHM, Wed GLA/KEF/YHM, Thu GLA/NOC/BOS, Fri GLA/KEF/YHM, Sat GLA/KEF/YHM
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Sorry to go slightly off-topic here, but is it just me or can Virgin Nigeria not stick with a single fleet? They've gone through A320s, B733s, A330s, A340s, B763ERs and probably more since they launched a couple of years ago!
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Its only a rumour, so is Santa Barbara Airlines,
As for that programme if its correct, who the hell would book with GSM
Why in gods name a 737 tranatlantic, pax hate it, and i know i did enough
of them. they never give what they advertise.
As for that programme if its correct, who the hell would book with GSM
Why in gods name a 737 tranatlantic, pax hate it, and i know i did enough
of them. they never give what they advertise.