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Having watched this thread with great interest, i've decided it's time to join you happy bunnies!
fjordviking: Good advice
BANANASBANANAS: TRLG is demanding equal pay and benefits for RBA's local pilots and not a reduction in any expatriates pay. It's not a divine right for any expatriate to get paid more than his local counterpart in any country. Just put yourself in his shoes for a minute.
Metro Man: So because we're expatriates, we deserve more than the local pilots? Remember, the bruneians have families too and not all of them have houses. Because of the bureaucratic red-tape, it takes years before they actually succeed in getting their application approved. So where can the locals stay?
MOREENGINES: You seem to be fluent in Bahasa Malay. Are you a frustrated local SFO in disguise?
SlimJim747: Too right! The post office is crap. I enjoy living in Brunei except for the bit when i have to post my letters. It's not as efficient as i would've liked it to be. But comparing the locals to clerks in the Brunei government. A bit harsh,no.
Nkosi: It may not help their cause but i'm sure it feels bloody good to let it out. Everyone rants at Pprunes. How can they not? The whole idea is to rant and get it out of our system. Especially with a thread called ' Royal Brunei Airlines in Chaos'.
ARL: The correct term used is whinging. Something airline pilots love to do. I believe it distracts us from the stress of commercial flying. The best place to whinge is here at Pprunes. Lovely place.
TRLG: I feel for your plight but i doubt you'll get any sympathy from your local management. Let's hope the new CEO can sort out a better package for you guys. If it doesn't work out, there are other airlines out there who'll pay you for what you think you're worth. Good luck!
xrba: Yes, i agree. Equality does make for a happier working environment but as you and i know, it's not an ideal world and RBA is not the ideal airline. But which airline is?
We all just have to make the most of it while we still can.
fjordviking: Good advice
BANANASBANANAS: TRLG is demanding equal pay and benefits for RBA's local pilots and not a reduction in any expatriates pay. It's not a divine right for any expatriate to get paid more than his local counterpart in any country. Just put yourself in his shoes for a minute.
Metro Man: So because we're expatriates, we deserve more than the local pilots? Remember, the bruneians have families too and not all of them have houses. Because of the bureaucratic red-tape, it takes years before they actually succeed in getting their application approved. So where can the locals stay?
MOREENGINES: You seem to be fluent in Bahasa Malay. Are you a frustrated local SFO in disguise?
SlimJim747: Too right! The post office is crap. I enjoy living in Brunei except for the bit when i have to post my letters. It's not as efficient as i would've liked it to be. But comparing the locals to clerks in the Brunei government. A bit harsh,no.
Nkosi: It may not help their cause but i'm sure it feels bloody good to let it out. Everyone rants at Pprunes. How can they not? The whole idea is to rant and get it out of our system. Especially with a thread called ' Royal Brunei Airlines in Chaos'.
ARL: The correct term used is whinging. Something airline pilots love to do. I believe it distracts us from the stress of commercial flying. The best place to whinge is here at Pprunes. Lovely place.
TRLG: I feel for your plight but i doubt you'll get any sympathy from your local management. Let's hope the new CEO can sort out a better package for you guys. If it doesn't work out, there are other airlines out there who'll pay you for what you think you're worth. Good luck!
xrba: Yes, i agree. Equality does make for a happier working environment but as you and i know, it's not an ideal world and RBA is not the ideal airline. But which airline is?
We all just have to make the most of it while we still can.
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You misunderstand me.
What I was putting forward was that supplemental allowance (non gratuitable) be scrapped but that basic salary (gratuitable) be increased by the same amount and that local and expat have that same basic salary.
Then, expats get housing etc in line with industry standard/best practice.
Makes me realise why I left. Apologies for intruding on your thread.
BANANASBANANAS: TRLG is demanding equal pay and benefits for RBA's local pilots and not a reduction in any expatriates pay. It's not a divine right for any expatriate to get paid more than his local counterpart in any country. Just put yourself in his shoes for a minute.
What I was putting forward was that supplemental allowance (non gratuitable) be scrapped but that basic salary (gratuitable) be increased by the same amount and that local and expat have that same basic salary.
Then, expats get housing etc in line with industry standard/best practice.
Makes me realise why I left. Apologies for intruding on your thread.
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The holes getting Deeper?
Well I would like to say the writing has been on the wall for a long time, but unfortunately the inapt managers at flight ops for RBA has been unable to read. 
The only person to benefit and make his position more secure, is the megalomaniac in charge of training. Now with this great exodus of SFO’s on the Airbus fleet, he is justifying his existence by having to train more to take their place?
But wait!! There are no more coming?? Why?
Because it’s now getting round just how poor the conditions are in RBA and how people are being trampled and bullied in this organisation. Plus the worldwide shortage of pilots, especially in the Asian regions, means, recruitment for Airlines that treat their staff badly makes it that bit more difficult to get experienced pilots.
So what are they doing now? Well it’s easy, lets train Captains to fly in the right hand seat, great idea,
but how long is that going to last?
Until they start getting p****** off by being called out for every flight. Are they going to be paid more money for this extra work? Of course not, there’s no money left and they are doing out of their sense of duty and loyalty to the company! Right!!!
You have lost some excellent Captains recently who would have been only too happy to stay and help with this mess, but the arrogance displayed by your management and lack of development offered has driven them out. It’s the same with some of your SFO’s that are looking for further progression and ready for command, they are being driven away.
This is great for the company that I work for, that is expanding and happy to develop them into a useful company asset over the long term.
Keep up the good work RBA!!
All the other expanding and developing companies are making great use of your discarded resources.
The only person to benefit and make his position more secure, is the megalomaniac in charge of training. Now with this great exodus of SFO’s on the Airbus fleet, he is justifying his existence by having to train more to take their place? But wait!! There are no more coming?? Why?
Because it’s now getting round just how poor the conditions are in RBA and how people are being trampled and bullied in this organisation. Plus the worldwide shortage of pilots, especially in the Asian regions, means, recruitment for Airlines that treat their staff badly makes it that bit more difficult to get experienced pilots.
So what are they doing now? Well it’s easy, lets train Captains to fly in the right hand seat, great idea,
but how long is that going to last? Until they start getting p****** off by being called out for every flight. Are they going to be paid more money for this extra work? Of course not, there’s no money left and they are doing out of their sense of duty and loyalty to the company! Right!!!
You have lost some excellent Captains recently who would have been only too happy to stay and help with this mess, but the arrogance displayed by your management and lack of development offered has driven them out. It’s the same with some of your SFO’s that are looking for further progression and ready for command, they are being driven away.
This is great for the company that I work for, that is expanding and happy to develop them into a useful company asset over the long term.
Keep up the good work RBA!!
All the other expanding and developing companies are making great use of your discarded resources.
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Its Not Just $ Thats Needed
Conditions and Lifestyle need to be addressed.
The diabolical fatigue we suffered (prior to the demise of the FRA route) has given us more time to reflect on the future, and as exrba pointed out it is being played out before a world wide audience, and we welcome all points of view.
The exodus of talent and expertise to other airlines was not made just for financial reasons, miserable flight dept management has driven so many away.
The usual pool of talent, so normal in successful airlines, is almost empty.
As Possum says the megalomaniac in training has reinforced his position as he can appoint young immature and inexperienced pilots to serve under him without fear of being questioned.
Ray the 777 fiasco may be the least of your troubles.
The diabolical fatigue we suffered (prior to the demise of the FRA route) has given us more time to reflect on the future, and as exrba pointed out it is being played out before a world wide audience, and we welcome all points of view.
The exodus of talent and expertise to other airlines was not made just for financial reasons, miserable flight dept management has driven so many away.
The usual pool of talent, so normal in successful airlines, is almost empty.
As Possum says the megalomaniac in training has reinforced his position as he can appoint young immature and inexperienced pilots to serve under him without fear of being questioned.
Ray the 777 fiasco may be the least of your troubles.
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Just a rumour??
This might just be a rumour, but think your CEO prefers to fly other carriers rather than RBA?? According to crews, he recently flew to London with someone else, perhaps he has just realised how bad and unreliable the service is, or maybe he had to be on time for his next job interview
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Just a rumour
When the 777 arrives, reconvertion may not be as to the date of joining list cos the 767 Fleet Manager wants an input due to 'pilots not acting in the best Co interests'
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Company Interests?
The reason most of the pilots are not acting in the best interest of the company, is because the company has no interest in the pilots, how stupid can this management get!!! Wake up and smell the bull****, its over flowing around the little house on the hill.
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The CEO probably flew other carriers because he knows how tired and p!$$ed off the crews are from such poor crew scheduling and inept flight ops management.
It never fails to amaze. Heard the new schedule is operating akl bne bwn by the same crew again. They did this before, with MANY flights going in to COMMANDERS discretion.
Just like an unprofessional, cash strapped, general aviation type airline, rba manipulated the figures to make it appear legal. How many flights will it take to go into discretion again before it is changed. It took 6 months to change it last time. Their excuse will be the flight is scheduled on the b777. Yet the b767 will be operating the flight. We know the current svp will not step up and say anything. So if the present ceo is serious about safety he should ask for a copy of every discretion report from the airline to be immediately sent to him. When he gets 3 from the same route, take it to scheduling and ask why they are illegally rostering his crews into discretion.
Rba had better be careful letting that inept bully 767 mismanager decide who transfers onto the 777. Many pilots have already sought legal advice on the matter and the consensus is the bond is not valid. Particularly if you are still not flying the 777. Rba continued to send many of its crews on the 777 course as they had already paid for the course, yet they knew they would not be required as they are only getting 2 of the 4 planned 777 aircraft. This effectively bonds its pilots for 3 years to continue flying the 767.
Rba should seriously consider the future of the said 767 manager if it wants crews to stay with rba. This little megalomaniac is seriously causing discourse between management and pilots and the pilots are getting very tiresome of it.
What was the outcome of his people management course??
It never fails to amaze. Heard the new schedule is operating akl bne bwn by the same crew again. They did this before, with MANY flights going in to COMMANDERS discretion.
Just like an unprofessional, cash strapped, general aviation type airline, rba manipulated the figures to make it appear legal. How many flights will it take to go into discretion again before it is changed. It took 6 months to change it last time. Their excuse will be the flight is scheduled on the b777. Yet the b767 will be operating the flight. We know the current svp will not step up and say anything. So if the present ceo is serious about safety he should ask for a copy of every discretion report from the airline to be immediately sent to him. When he gets 3 from the same route, take it to scheduling and ask why they are illegally rostering his crews into discretion.
Rba had better be careful letting that inept bully 767 mismanager decide who transfers onto the 777. Many pilots have already sought legal advice on the matter and the consensus is the bond is not valid. Particularly if you are still not flying the 777. Rba continued to send many of its crews on the 777 course as they had already paid for the course, yet they knew they would not be required as they are only getting 2 of the 4 planned 777 aircraft. This effectively bonds its pilots for 3 years to continue flying the 767.
Rba should seriously consider the future of the said 767 manager if it wants crews to stay with rba. This little megalomaniac is seriously causing discourse between management and pilots and the pilots are getting very tiresome of it.
What was the outcome of his people management course??
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Management course??
Come on slimjim!!! Dont credit any these idiots with doing a management course, you know as well as I do, the only management training is done in house? That why these guys are as bad as the other megalomanic that pretends to be a proffessional Training manager.
The CEO should bring a proper management team to sort out this mess and perhaps teach these guys how to be proffessional managers, before many other experienced and pissed off guys leave.
The CEO should bring a proper management team to sort out this mess and perhaps teach these guys how to be proffessional managers, before many other experienced and pissed off guys leave.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Got to agree with you guys, its a real mess.
It's a real embarrassment for the guys who really take pride in their work only to held back by incompetence. If they got rid of half the people they employ, who really don't want to be there anyway, just no one else will give them a job. Then get rid of the ones that sit at their desks playing computer games, texting their friends or eating, rather than doing what they are paid to do ( YES WORK )
Now get rid of the thieving, deceitful and dishonest ones ( and we all know who they are!!!
) who are ripping everyone off whenever they can.
Fed up with the number of times I have to visit the office just to get something simple completed, like a petty cash form, visa renewal, book a flight ( now that is stressful ) and try catching the cashier who's never around?
Get rid of these people and put in others who really want to do the job and make a difference, before its too late.
It's a real embarrassment for the guys who really take pride in their work only to held back by incompetence. If they got rid of half the people they employ, who really don't want to be there anyway, just no one else will give them a job. Then get rid of the ones that sit at their desks playing computer games, texting their friends or eating, rather than doing what they are paid to do ( YES WORK )
Now get rid of the thieving, deceitful and dishonest ones ( and we all know who they are!!!
) who are ripping everyone off whenever they can.Fed up with the number of times I have to visit the office just to get something simple completed, like a petty cash form, visa renewal, book a flight ( now that is stressful ) and try catching the cashier who's never around?
Get rid of these people and put in others who really want to do the job and make a difference, before its too late.
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Illegal Rostering
Anybody got mates in CASA/DCA that we can tip off over the AKL rostering. Or anything else.
Maybe the time has come to form a pilots council or commune. It would only take about 10 guys to stick together and back each other up.
Am I dreaming, Ho Ho Ho Christmas is coming, well it might be it was cancelled last year. The best we could do was huddle together.
There has to be something better than just walking away.
Maybe the time has come to form a pilots council or commune. It would only take about 10 guys to stick together and back each other up.
Am I dreaming, Ho Ho Ho Christmas is coming, well it might be it was cancelled last year. The best we could do was huddle together.
There has to be something better than just walking away.
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Pilots Council
Ah I mean Coffee Mornings of course, been put right there.
Shall we start at No 5 370 to discuss the equitable distribution of AKL's when our party hoast returns to the flying fold.
Shall we start at No 5 370 to discuss the equitable distribution of AKL's when our party hoast returns to the flying fold.
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All RBA 777 Rated Pilots
Have a read of Who Will Command The AI 777's on the same Far East page.
Might not be your cup of Darjeeling tea, so keep an eye on the slots that are left behind by those that fill um.
Might not be your cup of Darjeeling tea, so keep an eye on the slots that are left behind by those that fill um.
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Oh dearie me
They were all so smug when the cup was over flowing, but now that the well runs dry it's not quite the case??
Perhaps if they had treated the guys better some might have shown them a little loyalty, but just watch the exodus
Perhaps if they had treated the guys better some might have shown them a little loyalty, but just watch the exodus
<<.......but RBA still attracts very experienced pilots, in the last year alone 6 easyjet capts onto the Airbus, one a trainer. One x CP(BA outfit) and CTC trainer and one trainer from a loco Sin outfit......>>
"One x CP (BA outfit)!
Who's that then?
"One x CP (BA outfit)!
Who's that then?
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Frozen 777
Heard that the 777 has been frozen and may never come now...what a great show of competent management!
How long will the type rated guys hang around now?
Must be a concern for the company, there are plenty of good jobs out there that pay well and have better conditions, good luck
How long will the type rated guys hang around now?
Must be a concern for the company, there are plenty of good jobs out there that pay well and have better conditions, good luck