Ryanair - 6

[Ian Brooks]

If Ryanair are reducing by 7 aircraft at 3 rotations a day plus Sky Europe 2 a day and Berlin reducing by cutting Manchester, Glasgow, Belfast and Palma which total at least 7 departures a day this adds up to quite a total for a month ( just over 900 a month )

Ian

[840]

egnxema->There have been strong suggestions that they'll move one of the Stansted aircraft to Cork and operate their Cork-Stansted flights with a Cork-based aircraft. The number of flights remains the same, but they achieve the symbolic reduction of aircraft at Stansted.

[discountinvestigator]

Such are the economics of the airline industry that some major European flag carriers can still lose money when flying full aircraft all day long.

Posturing by MOL is what it is all about. Free press to advertise that you have 737-800s available for lease or sale, surely not!

[UP and Down Operator]

Hmm, then there would be no reason to build a new rwy at STN if there is no-one to use it.
That will at make a lot of "green" people happy, at least until it is hollidaytime again and their kids want's to go south

[The Otter's Pocket]

With full slots - little flexibility in the system, then you are going to ask for as much as you can get away with.
If they want A/c sitting on the ground then they would be moved to a cheaper airfield like Doncaster where parking would be a great deal cheaper than London's third airport.

[P.Smith]

I saw that on my screen a few minuts ago but now its gone. So maybe lubeck will be the next Base? I tried to find out the new routs but there weren't some new...
I wonder if it was another mistake or maybe more?

[Flyingphil]

Just a question from my side:

Are these the retirements that FR planned for quite some time or are these additional phase-outs?

FR sold their oldest B737-800s (EI-CSA - CSN) at the beginning of this year to VRG/GOL - they are intended to leave for South America in November.

So there are two options:
1. Ryanair needs publicity as always and makes "an issue" with the BAA out of this Acft-deal signed some time ago

2. Ryanair is really under pressure for several interacting reasons, namely
-> Crews near to their annual limit of flight-hours
-> Low Booking-rates
-> Increase of Fee's at several Airports, STN in particular


I personally assume option number 1 - that's the way most people know FR for quite some time now!

BTW What was mentioned before:
FR signed its deals with Boeing @ 27,5 Mio Dollars per plane instead of 40 Mio's.
So managementwise they are pretty good

[old,not bold]

I suspect that not only is the FR announcement making a virtue out of the necessity of reducing capacity during the winter, it is associated with the convoluted economics of the second STN runway.

Back in the days of the Airports White Paper, in 2003, BAA managed to get all non-BAA projects for additional London airport capacity kicked into touch, partly by having 25+ staff "seconded" into the DoT, partly by getting NATS to make outrageous and untrue assertions about airspace management, and partly by stating unequivocally that Stansted's second runway would be in operation by 2011, and that yes, they had the finance for it.

Neither was remotely true, neither could have been, but those who pointed this out did so in vain. The Dept for Transport had made its mind up before the consultation started.

Now, if a consent is ever granted for the second runway (a big "if"), BAA then have to finance it. But the low cost airlines which dominate STN, led by FR with over 50% of movements (when I last counted, a year or three ago) have made it clear that they had no intention of paying for it, especially in advance, through increased landing charges. LHR users made it clear that they had no intention of paying for a STN runway through X-subsidy, and the CAA backed them. And the banks made it clear that unless (a) charges were increased substantially and (b) airlines were willing to pay those charges, the project is a non-starter.

FR is simply demonstrating to BAA, at a convenient moment, that it meant what it said, ie "You raise the charges, and we'll be off. Our business model does not include financing new runways".

This will confirm to the banks, and to the new owners of BAA, that the project is a financial non-starter.

What's the Spanish for..........

" me, we've got a problem. Let's get the British Government to bale us out with their taxpayers' money. They can guarantee the loans, the guarantees will be called when we can't pay the loans back, and we'll sell out in another coupla years and retire. That lot are stupid enough to do it, and they've got to support their White Paper conclusions, no matter how daft they were".

Perhaps some of the rejected projects for London airport capacity should be dusted off. One or two were viable and sensible. But they were not BAA-owned, and that did for them. But without one of them at least. there will be no new London runway capacity until 2024 at the earliest..remember that LTN was going to increase its capacity, but now will not be doing that.

[maxy101]

" me, we've got a problem. Let's get the British Government to bale us out with their taxpayers' money. They can guarantee the loans, the guarantees will be called when we can't pay the loans back, and we'll sell out in another coupla years and retire. That lot are stupid enough to do it, and they've got to support their White Paper conclusions, no matter how daft they were".

Joder! Tenemos un problema....Los Ingleses estupidos puede paga pour todo...o los EC, pero nunca Ferrovial....
(Spanglish translation)

[airhumberside]

When are we likely to know the dropped/frequency reduced routes at STN?

[Musket90]

If Boeing give Ryanair a spectacularly good deal then Stansted has also done the same since the mid 90's, until recently when they are now being charged an appropriate rate. The "grounding" of aircraft has nothing to do with BAA charges.

Stansted will prosper without further Ryanair expansion - signs are there, Eos, Maxjet both expanding and AA starting this winter with 2 x daily from March 08. Long haul is what Stansted's been crying out for and it now appears to be happening.

[IB4138]

I understand that Ryanair are to out the 15 oldest 738s from the fleet.

Talking of STN, there is also a strong rumour that FedEx are to start operating some MD11 flights to MAN from August and base some feeder aircraft there. It has been known for some time that they wished to establish a hub at MAN.

More entries in the - column for STN.

[sky9]

I would suggest that the reason is that the aircraft are brought at a discount from Boeing then sold out after 5 years at market rate to be replaced with new from the forward order.

Together with the sale and (operating) lease back of 15 aircraft last financial year accounts for a major part of the companies profits.

[ped90]

STN Network Changes

By looking at the FR winter timetable, this is what the changes at STN look like.

Increases - VST 2xDaily, SZG 3xDaily

Discontinued Routes
LEI, SOB, PIS, PUY, RDZ, VIT, ZAD and EBJ & MMX(already announced)

Reduced Frequency
MPL, TLN, TUF, ZAZ

GRO (to 3xDaily), REU (to 1xDaily), MJV (to 1xDaily), PSA (to 2xDaily), TSF (to 2xDaily).

There maybe others that have been reduced but these do not stand out and there is no way of telling whether these are permanent changes or just seasonal.

Also as this is from FRs timetable please treat it with the caution it deserves and don't flame me if it turns out to be a load of pony!

[carbootking]

in my view ryanair reducing air berlin and sky europe doing the same gives stn some valuble breathing space , 1 leaves another carrier comes in eg AA we all know stn is virtually full so somthing has to go, im looking forward to a nice quiet winter hopefully all the little things that break down every day will be fixed in the winter now .

[cesare.caldi]

Tomorrow Ryanair press conference at SUF, will be annunced new route PSA-SUF. Also will be a press conference at OPO, probably will be annuced a new route (maybe PSA-OPO?)

[840]

I notice in the map above that it says Hamburg rather than Hamburg-Luebeck

Probably means nothing, but you never know.

[janus627]

it ALWAYS says Hamburg - it means Lubeck. Thatīs Ryanairs crazy geographical interpretation...
Itīs also Dusseldorf, Frankfurt and even Leipzig on the map. Every airport (Weeze, Hahn and Altenburg >80 km) is more away from the city Ryanair mentions than Lubeck from Hamburg is (=70 km).

[840]

There's a bit of inconsistency on it, because it also says Verona-Brescia and Grenoble-Lyon among others, but using the examples of Paris, Brussels etc. I'm sure you're right.

[toledoashley]

Any ideas on the new routes??