Ryanair - 6

[Thorsen]

Major route cut

It seems that Ryanair will cut a lot of routes from the winter schedule. These are the ones I found on their website, the list is not filtered for already announced route cuts and seasonal routes.

Bournemouth-Shannon
Bournemouth-Nantes
Bournemouth-Marseille
Bournemouth-Pisa
Bournemouth-Madrid

Stansted-Zadar
Stansted-Pula
Stansted-Balaton
Stansted-Almeria

Liverpool-Santiago
Liverpool-Santander
Liverpool-Kaunas
Liverpool-Bergerac
Liverpool-Ancona
Liverpool-Alghero

East Midlands-Rimini
East Midlands-Nîmes
East Midlands-Bergerac
East Midlands-Alghero

Dublin-Almeria
Dublin-La Rochelle
Dublin-Pula
Dublin-Seville
Dublin-Trapani
Dublin-Vitoria
Dublin-Marseille

Shannon-Biarritz
Shannon-Lodz
Shannon-Murcia
Shannon-Rome
Shannon-Venice

Pisa-Alicante
Pisa-Billund
Pisa-Bremen
Pisa-Torp
Pisa-Palma de Mallorca

Marseille-Prestwick
Marseille-Lübeck

Hahn-Murcia
Hahn-Granada
Hahn-Biarritz
Hahn-Balaton

Bremen-Verona

Madrid-Shannon
Madrid-Gothenburg

[Dublin Airgirl]

are these the routes that are to be cut? seems like an awful lot. if there are five more going from snn that will cause uproar surely. though ryanair are having a gig down there tomorrow morn so that migth make sense.

[ryan2000]

Shannon routes

Those Shannon routes were earmarked for closure some weeks ago but the Ryanair PR machine announced several new routes for Shannon on the same day so there's no net loss or gain for Shannon which will continue to have 4 aircraft based there at least untill the Christmas 2004 deal comes up for renewal.

Santa Claus couldn't have matched Shannon Airport's generosity that year. Ask Thompsonfly, British Airways Regional, Hapag Lyod expess, Flybe, Easyjet and Aerlingus.

[airhumberside]

DSA-Pisa also axed

I would be surprised if PSA-ALC was axed,as it was included in the ALC base press release last week

[markmartin]

Madrid-Gothenburg hasn´t been axed, flights are already on sale for next winter season.

[james170969]

Marseille-Prestwick hasn't been axed - it's a summer only route and therefore should recommence next year. However I am disappointed in Ryanair in that Prestwick - Charleroi isn't operating 7 days a week. At one point a few years ago it operated twice a day. I fly to Belgium several times per year but I'm not prepared to pay several hundred pounds which is why I have flown with Ryanair in the past. Now, if they don't fly on the days that I want then I have to look at other means of travel such as flying to London and then to Brussels by Eurostar or even travelling by train the whole way.

[egnxema]

Axed may be too strong a word! Many of the routes, especially the EMA routes mentioned, are seasonal routes which did not operate during the last winter season either, but did reappear at the beginging of the summer. I have no doubt all 4 of the EMA routes listed will re-commence at the end of March 08.

In the mean time, the capacity will be used on Tenerife and the Ski routes.

[VanBosh]

Did anyone read Ryanair's proposal on their website?

Absolute genius - they have forced the government to vote for or against the shannon closure, as the unions will vote to keep it as will Ryanair, the govt will have a major say and will have to interfere.

Once they do all hell will break loose!!

Think I'll buy 1 share so I can attend the EGM!

[vkid]

dont think most of the government give a fiddlers. According to RTE Mr Dempsey has gone on holidays

[akerosid]

Very interesting move:

Govt votes against SNN: Clare/Limerick/Tipp TDs resign whips ... govt falls?

Govt votes for SNN route: EI mgmt resigns.

Machievelli would be proud!

O'Leary is just enjoying this far too much!

[vkid]

Ryanair press conference at Shannon this morning
Ryanair: We'll step in if Aer Lingus leaves Shannon
14/08/2007 - 11:57:13

Ryanair has said it will provide three additional flights to London from Shannon if Aer Lingus proceeds with its plan to close the Shannon-Heathrow route.

Ryanair says the move will "ensure Shannon Airport’s capacity and traffic does not fall as a result of this Aer Lingus closure".

The new flights would include a fourth daily flight to London Stansted, a second daily flight to London Gatwick and a daily flight to London Luton.

Ryanair’s London services will therefore increase from four to seven flights daily if the move goes ahead.

Ryanair - which owns a 25% share of Aer Lingus - has also formally asked Aer Lingus to call an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) to discuss the proposed Shannon-Heathrow pull-out.

In a statement today, Ryanair said that it would, if so requested by the Government, "be willing to vote its 25% shareholding in favour of the motion to retain Aer Lingus' existing profitable Shannon-Heathrow services.

"Alternatively the Government could ask Ryanair to abstain from voting, which would give the Government and the Employee Share Ownership Trust (ESOT) a majority at the EGM and allow them to save Shannon’s Heathrow services. On its own, Ryanair’s 25% stake will be insufficient to influence this decision.

"The trade unions, who between them own almost 20% of Aer Lingus, have already indicated that they would vote in favour of retaining Aer Lingus' Shannon-Heathrow services.

"Therefore all that is needed to save Aer Lingus' current Shannon-Heathrow services is for Bertie Ahern’s Government (acting as a 25% shareholder) to lift a finger and vote in favour of the motion at the EGM."

[MUFC_fan]

Aren't ost of the passengers flying on the SNN-LHR route wanting connection flights? Why would they travel to LGW, STN or LTN for this, they don't have that many connections.

Is it possible for a government to force an airline to operate a route?

[ryan2000]

Government might as well buy Aerlingus back if it goes down this road. Why should private investors fund an airline run for the benefit of Shannon Airport?

[840]

Is there any danger that he's shooting himself in the foot with this one?

If he uses his shareholding to get Aer Lingus to operate in a way that is detrimental to Aer Lingus, but beneficial for Ryanair, he could be forced to sell the shares and he won't be setting the price.

[ryan2000]

Wouldn't it suit Ryanair if Aerlingus took a slot from Cork, then Ryanair could increase their yield on ORK-STN and ORK-LGW. At present EI plan 5 A321's a day from ORK-LHR next summer which should ensure that Ryanair's yield will remain at current levels

[vkid]

you have to wonder how private it really is though when you think of the governments share, the employees/pilots share and Ryanair(i know, but i think they're in it for more than money) comes to nearly 70%. If it was to be a fully commercial entity why did the government keep 25% of it. Its a bit of a mess all round really . FF have screwed this up completely

[boyzinblue]

The Shannon to Luton route was already announced on 31 st of May. A bit rich from FR to claim that they are increasing flights from 4 daily to 7 daily as a result of the AerLingus decision.

[en2r]

Aren't ost of the passengers flying on the SNN-LHR route wanting connection flights? Why would they travel to LGW, STN or LTN for this, they don't have that many connections.

No there were official figures which showed that just 25% of passengers were connecting. 75% were just travelling to the London Area

[Aisle2c]

Originally Posted by 840

Is there any danger that he's shooting himself in the foot with this one?

If he uses his shareholding to get Aer Lingus to operate in a way that is detrimental to Aer Lingus, but beneficial for Ryanair, he could be forced to sell the shares and he won't be setting the price.

As someone else suggested, if AL is forced to change the likelihood is that their share price will fall, the private investors might offload and O'Leary can increase his shareholding.

[CaptKremin]

Stock Market rules preclude O'Leary from increasing his holding further.
If he does, he has to bid for the company (a buyout).
Since that has already been rejected by the EU he is precluded from making any such offer.
He is thus in a stalemate.
So forget that theory.