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Old 17th Apr 2007, 19:42
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so are you saying the likes of BA have had fewer "accidents" than RYR
Yes.
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 20:02
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Ryan 787

did search but nothing come up.
It appears Ryan has ordered 787's to start services across the pond at the end of the decade
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http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
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AUC report on mishandled baggage based on AEA data available from their site, here.

Ryanair claim 0.5 per 1000 (and it's not known how they arrive at this figure, it is simply a claim that appeared on their website) then it's a factor of ten below the best reported by the AEA (Air Malta, 4.4 lost per 1000. AEA average is 15.7).

Interestingly, Ryanair claim that the AEA "confirm Ryanair is No.1 for customer service", including baggage loss, punctuality and least cancellations (read it here). As Ryanair are not members of the AEA and do not report to them, claiming that the AEA have confirmed Ryanair as anything is a blatant lie. The AEA and AUC do not include Ryanair in their comparison with other airlines, other than mentioning Ryanair's unsubstantiated baggage loss claims in the context of expecting lower losses on point-to-point flights.
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 20:42
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If you have specific knowledge of FR not following safety requirements, surely you have reported this knowledge to the relevant bodies, who will no doubt act upon this knowledge.
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 22:27
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If you have specific knowledge of FR not following safety requirements, surely you have reported this knowledge to the relevant bodies, who will no doubt act upon this knowledge.
We have. They don't. Thats the IAA for you.

Didn't O'Leary call the AEA an 'unelected QANGO'?
If you can't beat 'em, make something up!!
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 23:01
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If you have specific knowledge of FR not following safety requirements, surely you have reported this knowledge to the relevant bodies, who will no doubt act upon this knowledge.
I'll say it again. The ryr pilots file report after report after report of the safety breaches. The IAA do nothing. So the pilots query the lack of action. The latest official response that I have seen, from the head of the IAA, is that our claims our unfounded as we are (and I quote) "troublemakers."
Do this really have to be spelt out? The front-line troops, those in the position to see at first-hand the repeated safety breaches practiced by the company, report these to the safety regulator, who then, not only point-blank refuses to investigate the allegations, but resorts, in official communications to petty name-calling.
So yes, I have specific knowledge of ryr safety breaches, as do the rest of my colleagues. I have reported these, as you so helpfully suggest I do, and my safety regulators response is that I am a "troublemaker." Have you an other suggestions?
By the way, the IAA has recently been criticised by both the CAA and Italian AA for, respectively, tardiness with incident reports and for failing to investigate a serious incident.
Surely it's obvious to even the most blinkered ryr supporter that there is gounds for, at the very least, a very very thorough investigation of ryr by an independent body. Although it probably isn't obvious, as the armchair experts on this forum seem to know the situation better than any pilot.
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 23:05
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Ryanair are not shown on the list of potential buyers. There are quite a few aircraft allocated to 'unidentified' buyers. However, I cannot see FR being in there. Being 'unidentified' doesn't make the news. And we know they will do anything to be in the news, even if it's for the way they treat disabled pax.

Are Boeing still be prepared to sell them any new aircraft ? No doubt they will remember how MOL announced to the world how he shafted Boeing over the 738 deal ?
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 23:24
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Micko has ordered nothing. The trans-Atlantic story is, for many reasons, pie in the sky stuff for the moment. The announcement was to distract the media and everyone else from the real story of Mickos present: the fact that he's gotten himself into deep $hit with Aer Lingus. The investors were pis$ed at his egotistical solo run to begin with and the mood is unlikely to be improved by the costly failure it appears set to be.
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Old 17th Apr 2007, 23:38
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Firstly, I think it was made quite plain thet any transatlantic venture would not be by FR but by a different entity.

Secondly, I doubt FR shafted Boeing, more a case of agreeing sales during a buyer driven market period.
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Secondly, I doubt FR shafted Boeing, more a case of agreeing sales during a buyer driven market period.
Mini

Perhaps you a right. But it takes a fool like MOL to announce to world how he shafted Boeing. I guess he'll have to shaft Airbus next time. Nobody likes to get shafted twice
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 03:39
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Don't know about shafting Boeing, at the time FR made their big order just after 9/11 you could argue that they came close to saving the company.
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Attn mods

This thread should be lost, or merged with the FR thread.

Regards

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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:18
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If as Camelhair claims there are so many safety breaches at FR, then why is he still working for that company. Not to mention all the other pilots that he says are filing safety violation reports.
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:18
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I seem to recall a senior exec of FR's main UK-based rival saying (after they'd chosen their new fleet) that, on the basis of the price they were offered, whilst they preferred on aircraft operationally, they pretty much had to go with the other one as they (the directors) would have been open to charges of not looking after shareholder value had they not gone with the cheaper deal. Again, maybe not what a manufacturer would like a customer to be spouting on with but such comments are clearly not confined to the Irish.

Some bells ringing about a large antipodean carrier crowing about the deal it got on some 738s in late-2001, also.
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:20
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Err...money?
Food?
Shelter?
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:22
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:33
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In before this thread gets "moderated".

Back to the original point of the thread, although the chances are pretty slim of this happening, I wonder how would FR sell these flights.

Euro 0.99 + Taxes and handling charges?
50 Euro per bag?
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:52
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Erm, because there aren't any other airlines who recruit pilots, pressumably?

Please, can we just move on from this pointless debate? If you dislike FR so much, move jobs, fly BA. However, for some of us, (the naiive ignorant ones), Ryanair has revolutionalised our travel patterns and provides us with something the legacy carriers never did before.

Agree to disagree? No doubt we'll have this same debate in a few months and I'll bloody well look forward to it!! However for now, shall we get back to the old rumours and news?
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Old 18th Apr 2007, 10:56
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Perhaps posters should read MOL's remarks before getting too carried away.
He said he planned to launch a seperate entity AFTER he quits FR in 3 years time. Nothing has been set up, no orders placed AND it's dependant on hull unit costs dropping after the current surge in demand andthe Open Skies deal being finalised and ratified.
Interestingly MOL rules himself out of the CEO job for the new entity if it ever happens and he talks of no interlining and operating a premium business cabin which is very different to the current beast.
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